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Re: Git and SHA-1 security (again)

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Herczeg Zsolt <zsolt94@gmail.com>
Date
Jul 18, 2016, 16:12 UTC
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Hi Johannes,
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>> My point is not to throw out old hashes and break signatures. My point
>> is to convert the data storage, and use mapping to resolve problems
>> with those old hashes and signatures.
>
> If you convert the data storage, then the SHA-1s listed in the commit
> objects will have to be rewritten, and then the GPG signature will not
> match anymore.
>
> Call e.g. `git cat-file commit 44cc742a8ca17b9c279be4cc195a93a6ef7a320e`
> to see the anatomy of a gpg-signed commit object.
>

Yes and no. That's the reason you need the two-way lookup table. If you need to verify a commit which was signed as SHA-1, you must use the lookup table in reverse. This way you can reconstruct the original commit structure, which than can be verified. Of course it's work to do so but you only need to develop the new signature verification algorithm. You save much more on the other side where you don't have to rework all the other algorithms to multi-hash.

Another interesting point is that multi-hash storage, actively hurts signature security! (Duy just mentoined that while I'm writing.) A signed commit (or tag) is just as secure as the least secure hash it refers (directly or indirectly). Let's imagine that you make a new a commit, and there is on old file in the tree somewhere. That's a weak point: cause it has SHA-1 hash, someone can replace it (and thus change your commits content.

I would clearly mark any signature wether it's SHA-1 or SHA2 (or anything else) based, and strictly allow that hash in all the trees and objects while verifying that commit. If it's not the same hash-type as the storage-key, than use the lookup table for conversion before check. (This has some interesting side-effects, but it's all about good implementation).

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  1. Herczeg ZsoltJul 16, 2016
  2. brian m. carlsonJul 16, 2016
  3. Herczeg ZsoltJul 16, 2016
  4. brian m. carlsonJul 16, 2016
  5. Johannes SchindelinJul 17, 2016
  6. brian m. carlsonJul 17, 2016
  7. Duy NguyenJul 17, 2016
  8. brian m. carlsonJul 17, 2016
  9. Theodore Ts'oJul 17, 2016
  10. brian m. carlsonJul 17, 2016
  11. Junio C HamanoJul 18, 2016
  12. Jonathan NiederJul 18, 2016
  13. brian m. carlsonJul 18, 2016
  14. Johannes SchindelinJul 21, 2016
  15. Johannes SchindelinJul 21, 2016
  16. Junio C HamanoJul 22, 2016
  17. Johannes SchindelinJul 18, 2016
  18. brian m. carlsonJul 18, 2016
  19. Johannes SchindelinJul 21, 2016
  20. Duy NguyenJul 18, 2016
  21. Johannes SchindelinJul 19, 2016
  22. David LangJul 19, 2016
  23. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  24. Junio C HamanoJul 19, 2016
  25. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  26. Junio C HamanoJul 19, 2016
  27. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonJul 18, 2016
  28. Herczeg ZsoltJul 18, 2016
  29. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonJul 18, 2016
  30. Junio C HamanoJul 18, 2016
  31. Herczeg ZsoltJul 18, 2016
  32. David LangJul 18, 2016
  33. Fwd: Git and SHA-1 security (again)Herczeg Zsolt, Jul 18, 2016
  34. Johannes SchindelinJul 18, 2016
  35. Herczeg ZsoltJul 18, 2016
  36. Johannes SchindelinJul 18, 2016
  37. Duy NguyenJul 18, 2016
  38. Johannes SchindelinJul 19, 2016
  39. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  40. David LangJul 19, 2016
  41. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  42. David LangJul 19, 2016
  43. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  44. Herczeg ZsoltJul 19, 2016
  45. Duy NguyenJul 20, 2016
  46. Johannes SchindelinJul 20, 2016
  47. Duy NguyenJul 20, 2016
  48. Stefan BellerJul 20, 2016
  49. Junio C HamanoJul 20, 2016
  50. Philip OakleyAug 22, 2016
  51. Herczeg ZsoltJul 18, 2016
  52. Johannes SchindelinJul 19, 2016

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