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Re: Git and SHA-1 security (again)

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brian m. carlson <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
Date
Jul 17, 2016, 15:42 UTC
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On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 05:19:02PM +0200, Duy Nguyen wrote:
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> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:21 PM, brian m. carlson
> <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:01:38AM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> >> Out of curiosity: have you considered something like padding the SHA-1s
> >> with, say 0xa1, to the size of the new hash and using that padding to
> >> distinguish between old vs new hash?
> >
> > I'm going to end up having to do something similar because of the issue
> > of submodules.  Submodules may still be SHA-1, while the main repo may
> > be a newer hash.  I was going to zero-pad, however.  I was also, at
> > least at first, going to force a separate .git dir for those, to avoid
> > having to try to store two separate types of objects in the same repo.
> 
> If it's just the external hash representation, can we go with a prefix
> <algo><colon> to identify the hash algorithm? For example
> sha256:1234... is SHA-256 while 1235... by default is SHA-1 (but we
> could switch the default to SHA-256 via config file later SHA-1 is
> dead and nobody wants to type sha256: every time). It catches
> incorrect hash algorithm references.

I'd make it such that the default is that of the repo. If the current repo is generating SHA-256, say, then 473a0f4 refers to the empty blob. If you want to refer to an SHA-1 object, then you write sha-1:e69de29.

On disk, multihash[0] seems like the right way to go. We'd serialize references to the SHA-1 and SHA-256 empty blobs as 1114e69de29bb2d1d6434b8b29ae775ad8c2e48c5391 and 1220473a0f4c3be8a93681a267e3b1e9a7dcda1185436fe141f7749120a303721813 respectively. This makes parsing significantly easier. On disk, we could write them into the object database as 1114e6/9de2… and 122047/3a0f….

We could implement the default hash algorithm as extensions.hash and the on-disk format (which would be a requirement for extensions.hash) as extensions.explicitHash.

As I said, I'm not planning on multiple hash support at first, but it doesn't appear impossible if we go this route. We might still have to rewrite objects, but we can verify signatures over the legacy SHA-1 objects by forcing them into the old-style object format.

[0] https://github.com/jbenet/multihash
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  1. Herczeg ZsoltJul 16, 2016
  2. brian m. carlsonJul 16, 2016
  3. Herczeg ZsoltJul 16, 2016
  4. brian m. carlsonJul 16, 2016
  5. Johannes SchindelinJul 17, 2016
  6. brian m. carlsonJul 17, 2016
  7. Duy NguyenJul 17, 2016
  8. brian m. carlsonJul 17, 2016
  9. Theodore Ts'oJul 17, 2016
  10. brian m. carlsonJul 17, 2016
  11. Junio C HamanoJul 18, 2016
  12. Jonathan NiederJul 18, 2016
  13. brian m. carlsonJul 18, 2016
  14. Johannes SchindelinJul 21, 2016
  15. Johannes SchindelinJul 21, 2016
  16. Junio C HamanoJul 22, 2016
  17. Johannes SchindelinJul 18, 2016
  18. brian m. carlsonJul 18, 2016
  19. Johannes SchindelinJul 21, 2016
  20. Duy NguyenJul 18, 2016
  21. Johannes SchindelinJul 19, 2016
  22. David LangJul 19, 2016
  23. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  24. Junio C HamanoJul 19, 2016
  25. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  26. Junio C HamanoJul 19, 2016
  27. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonJul 18, 2016
  28. Herczeg ZsoltJul 18, 2016
  29. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonJul 18, 2016
  30. Junio C HamanoJul 18, 2016
  31. Herczeg ZsoltJul 18, 2016
  32. David LangJul 18, 2016
  33. Fwd: Git and SHA-1 security (again)Herczeg Zsolt, Jul 18, 2016
  34. Johannes SchindelinJul 18, 2016
  35. Herczeg ZsoltJul 18, 2016
  36. Johannes SchindelinJul 18, 2016
  37. Duy NguyenJul 18, 2016
  38. Johannes SchindelinJul 19, 2016
  39. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  40. David LangJul 19, 2016
  41. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  42. David LangJul 19, 2016
  43. Duy NguyenJul 19, 2016
  44. Herczeg ZsoltJul 19, 2016
  45. Duy NguyenJul 20, 2016
  46. Johannes SchindelinJul 20, 2016
  47. Duy NguyenJul 20, 2016
  48. Stefan BellerJul 20, 2016
  49. Junio C HamanoJul 20, 2016
  50. Philip OakleyAug 22, 2016
  51. Herczeg ZsoltJul 18, 2016
  52. Johannes SchindelinJul 19, 2016

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