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Re: [TOPIC 3/17] Obliterate

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Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.email>
Date
Mar 16, 2020, 20:01 UTC
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Hi Damien, James, (and 4 other who voted for the topic)

I had been thinking about 'missing' blobs for a long while as a earlier 'partial clone' concept (unpublished)

On 15/03/2020 22:19, Damien Robert wrote:
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> From James Ramsay, Thu 12 Mar 2020 at 14:57:24 (+1100) :
>> 6. Elijah: replace refs helps, but not supported by hosts like GitHub etc
>>     a. Stolee: breaks commit graph because of generation numbers.
>>     b. Replace refs for blobs, then special packfile, there were edge cases.
> I am interested in more details on how to handle this using replace.
>
> My situation: coworkers push big files by mistake, I don't want to rewrite
> history because they are not too well versed with git, but I want to keep
> *my* repo clean.
>
> Partial solution:
> - identify the large blobs (easy)
> - write a replace ref (easy):
>   $ git replace b5f74037bb91 $(git hash-object -w -t blob /dev/null)
>   and replace the file (if it is still in the repo) by an empty file.

Here, my idea was to create a deliberately malformed blob object that would allow self reference to say "this blob is deliberately missing". (i.e. the same content would exist under two oids, one valid, one invalid) The change would require extra code (more below).

Managing the verification of the replacement is a bigger problem, especially if already pushed to a server.

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> Now the pain points start:
> - first the index does not handle replace (I think), so the replaced file
>   appear as changed in git status, even through eg git diff shows nothing.
>
> => Solution: configure .git/info/sparse-checkout
>
> - secondly, I want to remove the large blob from my repo.
>
> Ideally I'd like to repack everything but filter this blob, except that
> repack does not understand --filter. So I need to use `git pack-objects`
> directly and then do the naming and clean up that repack usually does
> manually, which is error prone.
>
> Furthermore, while `git pack-objects` accepts --filter, I can only filter on
> blob size, not blob oid. (there is filter=sparse:oid where I could reuse my
> sparse checkout file, but I would need to make a blob of it first). And if I
> have one large file I want to keep, I cannot filter by blob size.
>
> Another solution would be to use `git unpack-objects` to unpack all objects
> (except I would need to do that in an empty git dir), remove the blob, and
> then repack everything.
>
> Am I missing a simpler solution?
>
> - finally, checkouting to a ref including the replaced (now missing) blob
>   gives error messages of the form:
> error: invalid object 100644 b5f74037bb91c45606b233b0ad6aad86f8e3875e for 'Silverman-Height-NonTorsion.pdf'
>
> On the one hand it is reassuring that git checks that the real object
> (rather than only the replaced object) is still there, on the other hand it
> would be nice to ask git to completely forget about the original object
> (except fsck of course).
>
> Thanks,
> Damien
My notes on the "13. Obliterate" ideas.
1. If the object is in the wild & is dangerous : Stop: Failed: Damage
limitation.
2. If the object is external, but still tame : Seek and recapture;
either treat as internal, or treat as wild [1].
3. The object is in captivity, even if distributed around an enclosure.
Proceed to vaccination [4].
4. Create new blob object with exact content "Git revoke: <oid>" (or
similar) This object includes the embedded object type coding as part of
the object format. This object is/becomes part of the git signature/oid
commit hierarchy. This should (ultimately) be on 'master' branch as it
is the verifier for the obliteration.
5. In the old revoked object <oid>, replace the object content (after
zlib etc) with the same content as created in step 4. This deliberately
_malformed_ object would normally cause fsck to barf. see [6]
6. However here we/fsck would detect the length and prefix of the
(barfed) object contents and so determine its oid (the oid of the
content). This results in an oid equal to that found in 4. which can be
looked up and determined to be a self referral to this obliterated oid,
so an fsck 'pass:obliterated' result is returned. This content could be
actually be stored in any removed file if checked out!

Consequences: Packs and other served object contents no longer contain the  revoked oid. Hygiene/vaccination needs applied to other distributed recipients of the former defective object.

Possible attacks: Attacker removes other important commits/blobs/trees by adding a 'revoke' which propagates to other users: Separate the hygiene cycle from the initial server revocation.

For trees(?) and commits the message is "revoke <oid> <use-oid>". But where to 'hold' the commit & tree (maybe require that tree revoke is treated as a commit revoke, so the the new tree is got for free). We still need the new commit to be walked by fsck/gc, and the old oid contents to be gc'd. For a 'commit' revocation it (the new msg/trees/revision) could maybe be a 2nd (or third parent after {0}) so a 'normal walk finds it, but probably that's just a recipe for disaster. Maybe a revocation reflog that doesn't expire? or can be rebuilt (fsck would extend it's lost/found to include a revoked list).

The new (XY) problem is now one of tying in the new revoked blob to the 'old' commit/tree hierarchy which only handles tracked files! Maybe its a .revoked file (like a .gitignore) which has a list of the old oids and has actual blobs attached under a .revoked tree.

Also need to make sure that re-packing is done if the blob/tree/commit was a delta-base at the point of obliteration. Also need to prompt the local user, just in case it's a spoof!. Plus need a way of 'sending' the revocation. (and flag for what to do about a fetch pack containing a revocation for which we have the original, esp if we have it as a pack that will take a long time to recreate. Need a way of writing the 'defective' object (more code).

Newhash transition. When histories are rewritten, then the obliterated artefacts are truly removed. For new repos using the newhash then the revocation mechanism is essentially the same other than extending the nominal size of the revocation objects.

Perhaps use the 'submodule' commit object type (i.e 'stuff held elsewhere')  for the holder of the revoked ID (for commits & trees). This could be locked into the history (details not fully thought through..).

If there is a design error within Git, its the lack of an 'after the fact' redaction mechanism (and how it is spread across branches and distributed users/servers) - not easy.

Philip
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Message 49 of 106 in “Notes from Git Contributor Summit, Los Angeles (April 5, 2020)”
  1. James RamsayMar 12, 2020
  2. 1/17 ReftableJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  3. 2/17 Hooks in the futureJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  4. Emily ShafferMar 12, 2020
  5. Junio C HamanoMar 13, 2020
  6. Emily ShafferApr 7, 2020
  7. Emily ShafferApr 7, 2020
  8. Junio C HamanoApr 8, 2020
  9. Emily ShafferApr 8, 2020
  10. Jeff KingApr 10, 2020
  11. Emily ShafferApr 13, 2020
  12. Jeff KingApr 13, 2020
  13. 0/2 configuration-based hook management (was: [TOPIC 2/17] Hooks in the future)Emily Shaffer, Apr 14, 2020
  14. 1/2 hook: scaffolding for git-hook subcommandEmily Shaffer, Apr 14, 2020
  15. 2/2 hook: add --list modeEmily Shaffer, Apr 14, 2020
  16. Phillip WoodApr 14, 2020
  17. Emily ShafferApr 14, 2020
  18. Jeff KingApr 14, 2020
  19. Phillip WoodApr 15, 2020
  20. Josh SteadmonApr 14, 2020
  21. Phillip WoodApr 15, 2020
  22. Jeff KingApr 14, 2020
  23. Phillip WoodApr 15, 2020
  24. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2020
  25. Emily ShafferApr 15, 2020
  26. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2020
  27. Jonathan NiederApr 15, 2020
  28. Emily ShafferApr 15, 2020
  29. doc: propose hooks managed by the configEmily Shaffer, Apr 20, 2020
  30. Emily ShafferApr 21, 2020
  31. Junio C HamanoApr 21, 2020
  32. Emily ShafferApr 24, 2020
  33. brian m. carlsonApr 25, 2020
  34. Emily ShafferMay 6, 2020
  35. brian m. carlsonMay 6, 2020
  36. Emily ShafferMay 19, 2020
  37. Jeff KingApr 15, 2020
  38. Emily ShafferApr 15, 2020
  39. Jeff KingApr 15, 2020
  40. 3/17 ObliterateJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  41. Konstantin RyabitsevMar 12, 2020
  42. Damien RobertMar 15, 2020
  43. Konstantin TokarevMar 16, 2020
  44. Damien RobertMar 26, 2020
  45. Elijah NewrenMar 16, 2020
  46. Damien RobertMar 26, 2020
  47. Phillip SusiMar 16, 2020
  48. Damien RobertMar 26, 2020
  49. Philip OakleyMar 16, 2020
  50. nbelakovski@gmail.comMay 16, 2020
  51. 4/17 Sparse checkoutJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  52. 5/17 Partial CloneJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  53. Allowing only blob filtering was: [TOPIC 5/17] Partial CloneChristian Couder, Mar 17, 2020
  54. 0/2 upload-pack.c: limit allowed filter choicesTaylor Blau, Mar 17, 2020
  55. 1/2 list_objects_filter_options: introduce 'list_object_filter_config_name'Taylor Blau, Mar 17, 2020
  56. Eric SunshineMar 17, 2020
  57. Jeff KingMar 18, 2020
  58. Junio C HamanoMar 18, 2020
  59. Eric SunshineMar 18, 2020
  60. Jeff KingMar 19, 2020
  61. Taylor BlauMar 18, 2020
  62. 2/2 upload-pack.c: allow banning certain object filter(s)Taylor Blau, Mar 17, 2020
  63. Eric SunshineMar 17, 2020
  64. Taylor BlauMar 18, 2020
  65. Philip OakleyMar 18, 2020
  66. Taylor BlauMar 18, 2020
  67. Jeff KingMar 18, 2020
  68. Re*: [RFC PATCH 0/2] upload-pack.c: limit allowed filter choicesJunio C Hamano, Mar 18, 2020
  69. Jeff KingMar 19, 2020
  70. Taylor BlauMar 18, 2020
  71. Junio C HamanoMar 18, 2020
  72. Jeff KingMar 19, 2020
  73. Jeff KingMar 19, 2020
  74. Christian CouderApr 17, 2020
  75. Taylor BlauApr 17, 2020
  76. Jeff KingApr 17, 2020
  77. Christian CouderApr 21, 2020
  78. Taylor BlauApr 22, 2020
  79. Taylor BlauApr 22, 2020
  80. Christian CouderApr 21, 2020
  81. 6/17 GC strategiesJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  82. 7/17 Background operations/maintenanceJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  83. 8/17 Push performanceJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  84. 9/17 Obsolescence markers and evolveJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  85. Noam SoloveichikMay 9, 2020
  86. Jeff KingMay 15, 2020
  87. 10/17 Expel ‘git shell’?James Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  88. 11/17 GPL enforcementJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  89. 12/17 Test harness improvementsJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  90. 13/17 Cross implementation test suiteJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  91. 14/17 Aspects of merge-ort: cool, or crimes against humanity?James Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  92. 15/17 Reachability checksJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  93. 16/17 “I want a reviewer”James Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  94. Emily ShafferMar 12, 2020
  95. Konstantin RyabitsevMar 12, 2020
  96. Jonathan NiederMar 12, 2020
  97. Konstantin RyabitsevMar 12, 2020
  98. Philippe BlainMar 17, 2020
  99. Eric WongMar 13, 2020
  100. Jeff KingMar 14, 2020
  101. inbox indexing wishlist [was: [TOPIC 16/17] “I want a reviewer”]Eric Wong, Mar 15, 2020
  102. 17/17 SecurityJames Ramsay, Mar 12, 2020
  103. Derrick StoleeMar 12, 2020
  104. Jeff KingMar 13, 2020
  105. Jakub NarebskiMar 15, 2020
  106. Jeff KingMar 16, 2020

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