Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper

From: Michael J Gruber <git@drmicha.warpmail.net>
Date: Nov 5, 2012, 16:00 UTC
Message-ID: <5097E290.4030700@drmicha.warpmail.net>
In-Reply-To: <CAMP44s3i1M9YtQb-EG+LS8DbwX10q2xE-LdxZCy3Xa_x3tQ9kA@mail.gmail.com>

[trimmed down heavily by mjg] Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 05.11.2012 16:22:

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> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Michael J Gruber
> <git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:
>> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 17:09:
>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael J Gruber
>>> <git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:

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> There is no lack of openness from my part. I hear all technical
> arguments, and I reply on a technical basis. The problem seems to be
> is that you expect the code submitted to be criticized, but not the
> criticism it receives. IOW; the submitter has to put up with anything
> anybody says about his/her code and ideas, but the *reviewer* is
> untouchable; the submitter cannot ever criticize the reviewer. I can

Feel free to criticize the criticism, just don't offend the criticizer (be it the reviewer or the submitter).

> tell you that doesn't happen in the Linux kernel; the review process
> is a _discussion_, not a one-way communication, and discussions can be
> heated up, but the end result is better code, *both* sides are open to
> criticism, the submitter, *and* the reviewer.

Exactly, both.

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>> And no, using the same or similar language does not make us the same at
>> all. Using the same language is the natural prerequisite for successful
>> communication.
> 
> Nobody said otherwise.

Well, you did in the post I responded to:

>>> The dangers of "everyone" following the same style of communication,
>>> and making "everyone" feel comfortable, is that "everyone" ends up
>>> being the same kind of people

In any case, I feel I've showed enough efforts and there's no point in dragging this on.

Michael