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Re: [PATCH] Proof-of-concept patch to remember what the detached HEAD was

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Julian Phillips <julian@quantumfyre.co.uk>
Date
Oct 17, 2009, 15:02 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009, Bj?rn Steinbrink wrote:
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> On 2009.10.16 18:31:23 +0100, Julian Phillips wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Bj?rn Steinbrink wrote:
>>> On 2009.10.16 13:15:35 +0100, Julian Phillips wrote:
>>>> How about:
>>>>
>>>> $ git checkout origin/master
>>>> $ git fetch
>>>> Refusing to fetch, as it would update a checkedout branch
>>>> "git fetch -f" will force the update, but you will need to run "git
>>>> reset --hard HEAD" to update your checkout to match.
>>>
>>> That would redefine -f (currently means "allow non-fast-forward
>>> updates"), the flag that allows the checked out branch head to be
>>> updated is -u, --update-head-ok, and is for internal use only.
>>>
>>> And suggesting "reset --hard" seems wrong, that just kills any
>>> uncommitted changes.
>>
>> Ok, so the commands were wrong.  Not important.
>>
>> It was the approach that I was trying to suggest rather than the
>> actual commands.  The point I was trying to make was how, as a user,
>> I would be happy to git behave.
>
> Your approach explicitly included "mess up the index/worktree state",
> otherwise, "git fetch" would not have to tell the user that he has to do
> a "git reset --hard HEAD". I honestly can't believe that you would be
> happy with git messing up your work.
>
>> So, I try to run fetch, git says "ooh, now that would be dangerous -
>> you can force it happen by running "git foo", but you will then be
>> in situation X, which you can then recover from by running "git
>> bar", though you may need to run "git stash" to save any edits you
>> have made" or something similar.
>
> But why make "git fetch" with non-"obscure" refspecs dangerous to begin
> with? If we detach but keep some extra information, there's no need to
> make "git fetch" dangerous, _and_ we can still provide a command that
> just fetches the most recent version of the "checked out" remote
> tracking branch and checks that out. May it be another mode of operation
> for "git pull" or some "git up" command or whatever.

My entire argument was in the context of the mail that I orginally replied to, i.e. assuming that the decision to not detach had been taken. If that is not the case, then everything I had said is irrelevant.

I wasn't arguing against detaching, but rather trying to say that _if_ we are not going to detach then I think it would better like this than that. I don't personally have any input on the detach or not, as I have been using git for too long to know if detaching is a problem for others. I can tell from my bash prompt if I'm detached or on a branch - and that's fine for me.

-- 
Julian

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  60. Junio C HamanoOct 15, 2009
  61. Daniel BarkalowOct 15, 2009
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  63. Julian PhillipsOct 16, 2009
  64. Björn SteinbrinkOct 16, 2009
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  66. Daniel BarkalowOct 16, 2009
  67. Junio C HamanoOct 16, 2009
  68. Julian PhillipsOct 16, 2009
  69. Nicolas PitreOct 16, 2009
  70. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  71. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  72. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
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  74. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  75. Junio C HamanoOct 16, 2009
  76. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  77. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
  78. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  79. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  80. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
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  87. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  88. Eric RaibleOct 14, 2009
  89. Christoph BartoschekOct 16, 2009
  90. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
  91. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
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