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Re: [PATCH] Proof-of-concept patch to remember what the detached HEAD was

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Björn Steinbrink <b.steinbrink@gmx.de>
Date
Oct 17, 2009, 07:55 UTC
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<20091017075551.GA5474@atjola.homenet>
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On 2009.10.16 18:31:23 +0100, Julian Phillips wrote:
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> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Bj?rn Steinbrink wrote:
> >On 2009.10.16 13:15:35 +0100, Julian Phillips wrote:
> >>How about:
> >>
> >>$ git checkout origin/master
> >>$ git fetch
> >>Refusing to fetch, as it would update a checkedout branch
> >>"git fetch -f" will force the update, but you will need to run "git
> >>reset --hard HEAD" to update your checkout to match.
> >
> >That would redefine -f (currently means "allow non-fast-forward
> >updates"), the flag that allows the checked out branch head to be
> >updated is -u, --update-head-ok, and is for internal use only.
> >
> >And suggesting "reset --hard" seems wrong, that just kills any
> >uncommitted changes.
> 
> Ok, so the commands were wrong.  Not important.
> 
> It was the approach that I was trying to suggest rather than the
> actual commands.  The point I was trying to make was how, as a user,
> I would be happy to git behave.

Your approach explicitly included "mess up the index/worktree state", otherwise, "git fetch" would not have to tell the user that he has to do a "git reset --hard HEAD". I honestly can't believe that you would be happy with git messing up your work.

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> So, I try to run fetch, git says "ooh, now that would be dangerous -
> you can force it happen by running "git foo", but you will then be
> in situation X, which you can then recover from by running "git
> bar", though you may need to run "git stash" to save any edits you
> have made" or something similar.

But why make "git fetch" with non-"obscure" refspecs dangerous to begin with? If we detach but keep some extra information, there's no need to make "git fetch" dangerous, _and_ we can still provide a command that just fetches the most recent version of the "checked out" remote tracking branch and checks that out. May it be another mode of operation for "git pull" or some "git up" command or whatever.

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> >And such uncommitted changes would be lost in the big "undo the fetch
> >update" diff. So you'd have to do:
> >git reset --soft HEAD@{1}
> >git checkout --merge HEAD@{1}
> >
> >to keep them, while updating to the new state of the remote tracking
> >branch. Not quite intuitive, is it?
> 
> I don't care what git has to do, I'm talking about the user
> experience - if we have to write some new code to support it, that
> really isn't a terribly hard thing to do.  UIs should be driven down
> from the user interaction not up from the implementation.

Those commands are those that git would have to show to you, instead of "git reset --hard HEAD", i.e. they're what you, as the user, have to do. And while "git reset --hard HEAD" might be remotely understandable to the user, that command sequence is very unlikely to be understood by most. And providing a command that does just this sequence is insane, it's just a bandaid for git doing crap to your worktree/index state. So let's better not start with git doing that crap at all.

My current "idea" (I don't think I'll have time to implement that any time soon) is:

Keep some extra information in HEAD (or somewhere else) when HEAD is detached about the ref that HEAD is "weakly" bound to. For example, "git checkout origin/master" might create a weak binding to refs/remotes/origin/master (for other [corner] cases, see the other mail I wrote, in which I outlined some cases I considered interesting).

"git update" can use the branch.<name>.{remote,merge} setup, or alternatively the "weak binding" information, to fetch from the right remote, and checks whether a fast-forward of HEAD to the according upstream branch head is possible. If so, it does a "git checkout --merge <upstream>" (possibly leaving conflicts for the uncommitted changes, just like "svn update"). If a fast-forward is not possible, it complains, telling the user that he needs to use "git merge/rebase/pull" instead, and might want to create a branch head, in case of a detached HEAD.

If there's also going to be a rule that forbids commits on some kind of detached HEAD, than the command could also tell the user (when a fast-forward is not possible) that upstream possibly rewrote history, and that the user might want to use "git checkout --merge <upstream>" (or maybe "git update -f"?) to just go to the new upstream version (not sure if that hint should be shown in addition to or instead of the "git merge/rebase/pull" hint).

Björn
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  56. Daniel BarkalowOct 16, 2009
  57. Björn SteinbrinkOct 16, 2009
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  60. Junio C HamanoOct 15, 2009
  61. Daniel BarkalowOct 15, 2009
  62. Nicolas PitreOct 15, 2009
  63. Julian PhillipsOct 16, 2009
  64. Björn SteinbrinkOct 16, 2009
  65. Julian PhillipsOct 16, 2009
  66. Daniel BarkalowOct 16, 2009
  67. Junio C HamanoOct 16, 2009
  68. Julian PhillipsOct 16, 2009
  69. Nicolas PitreOct 16, 2009
  70. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  71. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  72. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  73. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  74. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  75. Junio C HamanoOct 16, 2009
  76. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  77. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
  78. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
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  80. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
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  86. Björn SteinbrinkOct 19, 2009
  87. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  88. Eric RaibleOct 14, 2009
  89. Christoph BartoschekOct 16, 2009
  90. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
  91. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  92. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
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