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Re: [PATCH] Proof-of-concept patch to remember what the detached HEAD was

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Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Date
Oct 16, 2009, 20:19 UTC
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Julian Phillips <julian@quantumfyre.co.uk> writes:
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> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>
>> Julian Phillips <julian@quantumfyre.co.uk> writes:
>> ...
>>> I don't care what git has to do, I'm talking about the user experience
>>
>> But Bj?rn is showing two commands the _user_ has to type, iow, the comment
>> is about the user experience.
>
> Only Currently.  My point was that _if_ we wanted to support this sort
> of thing, then we can make is simpler to do by providing a simple
> command for the user.
>
> The point I wanted to make was that the decision on what to do should
> be driven by the user's experience - not by the fact that it is easier
> to implement something else.

Sorry, but I do not see in what way what you said in the thread connects to the above three lines. Are you talking about this one from you a few messages back?

    How about:
    $ git checkout origin/master
    $ git fetch
    Refusing to fetch, as it would update a checkedout branch
    "git fetch -f" will force the update, but you will need to run "git
    reset --hard HEAD" to update your checkout to match.

I am not seeing "not the implementation ease but the user experience" drive in this suggestion. If you are driving from the user experience point of view, I would have instead suggested:

    How about:
    $ git checkout origin/master
    $ git fetch
    and fetch happily updates the tracked branch, without affecting the
    HEAD state (nor index nor the work tree, of course).
User experience here is:
    * Let's checkout what the upstream has on the master.  I am at least
      aware that git is distributed and does not go to the network unless
      I tell it to, and am aware that origin/master is the state of the
      upsream _when I told git to look at it the last time_.  So I'll get
      the state I talked with the upstream the last time, and that is what
      I want to look at.
    * Hmm, there may be even more updates since I talked with the upstream
      the last time.  Let's tell git to fetch.  I already know that this
      updates origin/master to a more recent state.

Isn't it much cleaner and less confusing? And with these kind of awareness, the user can choose to do various things from here, e.g.:

    * Oh, fetch did fetched something.  I want the updated state.  Let's
      check it out with "git checkout origin/master"; or
    * Ok, what changed since I last talked with the upstream?  I have one
      end of the state already checked out, and I updated origin/master
      with their latest, so I can say "git diff HEAD origin/master".

Notice in the latter the user can be a neophyte who hasn't learned reflogs yet.

> My interest in this thread is solely that it might provide a mechanism
> to find out which tag was checked out.

Hmm, what is lacking in "git describe HEAD" for that? I am not complaining that you might be asking for something that exists, but I _do_ want to know if something that exists is not a satisfactory solution and if so how it can be improved.

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Message 75 of 93 in “Proof-of-concept patch to remember what the detached HEAD was”
  1. Proof-of-concept patch to remember what the detached HEAD wasDaniel Barkalow, Oct 14, 2009
  2. Junio C HamanoOct 14, 2009
  3. Jeff KingOct 14, 2009
  4. Johannes SchindelinOct 14, 2009
  5. Jeff KingOct 14, 2009
  6. Junio C HamanoOct 14, 2009
  7. Jeff KingOct 14, 2009
  8. Daniel BarkalowOct 14, 2009
  9. Jay SoffianOct 14, 2009
  10. Daniel BarkalowOct 14, 2009
  11. Nicolas PitreOct 14, 2009
  12. Daniel BarkalowOct 14, 2009
  13. Junio C HamanoOct 14, 2009
  14. Nicolas PitreOct 14, 2009
  15. Junio C HamanoOct 14, 2009
  16. Jeff KingOct 14, 2009
  17. Nicolas PitreOct 14, 2009
  18. Junio C HamanoOct 15, 2009
  19. Jeff KingOct 15, 2009
  20. Nicolas PitreOct 15, 2009
  21. Jeff KingOct 15, 2009
  22. Johannes SchindelinOct 16, 2009
  23. Nicolas PitreOct 16, 2009
  24. Johannes SchindelinOct 16, 2009
  25. Nicolas PitreOct 16, 2009
  26. Junio C HamanoOct 16, 2009
  27. Sean EstabrooksOct 17, 2009
  28. Johannes SchindelinOct 26, 2009
  29. Nanako ShiraishiOct 27, 2009
  30. Making Git easy to use -- without RTFM, was Re: [PATCH] Proof-of-concept patch to remember what the detached HEAD wasJohannes Schindelin, Oct 27, 2009
  31. Avery PennarunOct 27, 2009
  32. Johannes SchindelinOct 16, 2009
  33. Junio C HamanoOct 16, 2009
  34. James PickensOct 15, 2009
  35. Jakub NarebskiOct 15, 2009
  36. Björn SteinbrinkOct 15, 2009
  37. Nicolas PitreOct 15, 2009
  38. Daniel BarkalowOct 15, 2009
  39. Michael J GruberOct 15, 2009
  40. Nicolas PitreOct 15, 2009
  41. Daniel BarkalowOct 15, 2009
  42. Thomas RastOct 15, 2009
  43. Nicolas PitreOct 15, 2009
  44. Junio C HamanoOct 15, 2009
  45. Jeff KingOct 15, 2009
  46. Junio C HamanoOct 15, 2009
  47. Junio C HamanoOct 15, 2009
  48. Nicolas PitreOct 15, 2009
  49. James PickensOct 15, 2009
  50. Nicolas PitreOct 16, 2009
  51. Johannes SchindelinOct 16, 2009
  52. Björn SteinbrinkOct 16, 2009
  53. Jeff KingOct 15, 2009
  54. Jeff KingOct 15, 2009
  55. Björn SteinbrinkOct 16, 2009
  56. Daniel BarkalowOct 16, 2009
  57. Björn SteinbrinkOct 16, 2009
  58. Nicolas PitreOct 16, 2009
  59. Daniel BarkalowOct 15, 2009
  60. Junio C HamanoOct 15, 2009
  61. Daniel BarkalowOct 15, 2009
  62. Nicolas PitreOct 15, 2009
  63. Julian PhillipsOct 16, 2009
  64. Björn SteinbrinkOct 16, 2009
  65. Julian PhillipsOct 16, 2009
  66. Daniel BarkalowOct 16, 2009
  67. Junio C HamanoOct 16, 2009
  68. Julian PhillipsOct 16, 2009
  69. Nicolas PitreOct 16, 2009
  70. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  71. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  72. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  73. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  74. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  75. Junio C HamanoOct 16, 2009
  76. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  77. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
  78. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  79. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  80. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
  81. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  82. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
  83. James PickensOct 17, 2009
  84. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  85. Junio C HamanoOct 18, 2009
  86. Björn SteinbrinkOct 19, 2009
  87. Julian PhillipsOct 17, 2009
  88. Eric RaibleOct 14, 2009
  89. Christoph BartoschekOct 16, 2009
  90. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
  91. Björn SteinbrinkOct 17, 2009
  92. Junio C HamanoOct 17, 2009
  93. Daniel BarkalowOct 17, 2009

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