Re: [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin

> Jeff King wrote:
>>> > Definitely, yes.  Even if you look at the impact on code alone and
>>> > don't care about the people, destroying a collegial work environment
>>> > is harmful enough to the code to outweigh the (admittedly often
>>> > useful) patches.
>>>
>>> A collegial work environment is overrated, and proof of that the Linux
>>> kernel, where honest and straight talk is the bread and butter of the
>>> mailing list. And the Linux kernel is the most successful software
>>> project in history by far. It's code that speaks.
>>
>> I have consistently found your demeanor on the list to be very
>> unfriendly and difficult to work with. It is one thing to have honest
>> and straight talk, and another thing to be obstinate, unmindful of
>> feedback (both with respect to technical details, as well as to
>> communication styles), and disrespectful of other people.
>
> While I agree that being rude and obstinate is definitely undesirable,
> and that a healthy on-list environment is important, I have something
> to add:
>
> Being super-tactful comes at a cost.  Regulars on the mailing list
> have to spend 3~4x the amount of time to compose an email (reading and
> re-reading their drafts to see how to express them in a more friendly
> way); this leads to a lot of inefficiency and creates a suffocating
> environment in which people don't have freedom of expression.

> I would
> much rather prefer straight talk where nobody reads into what is
> written and takes offense.  In this case, jrn took offense and talked
> about how he would ban fc from the list if he were managing it: while
> I'm not defending fc's tone, I'm not defending jrn's comment either.
> jrn has been around since mid-2008, and fc has been around since
> early-2009.  It's mid-2013, and they still haven't learnt to work with
> each other.

> Disagreement is healthy, and is the foundation of progress.  When it
> comes to sensitive issues, stern disagreement is often mis-interpreted
> as disrespect (or worse).  If we keep beating up disagreements on the
> basis of tone and demeanor, git.git would go nowhere.  Sure, it would
> be more ideal if fc's tone were friendlier [*1*], but it isn't: let's
> deal with the issue instead of constantly whining about it.