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Re: [PATCH v2 0/6] Implement a batched fsync option for core.fsyncObjectFiles

From
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com>
Date
Sep 8, 2021, 19:23 UTC
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On Wed, Sep 08 2021, Neeraj Singh wrote:
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> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:44 PM Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> Neeraj Singh <nksingh85@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > BTW, I updated the github PR to enable batch mode everywhere, and all
>> > the tests passed, which is good news to me.
>>
>> I doubt that fsyncObjectFiles is something we can reliably test in
>> CI, either with the new batched thing or with the original "when we
>> close one, make sure the changes hit the disk platter" approach.  So
>> I am not sure what conclusion we should draw from such an experiment,
>> other than "ok, it compiles cleanly."  After all, unless we cause
>> system crashes, what we thought we have written and close(2) would
>> be seen by another process that we spawn after that, with or without
>> sync, no?
>
> The main failure mode I was worried about is that some test or other part
> of Git is relying on a loose object being immediately available after it is
> added to the ODB. With batch mode, the loose objects aren't actually
> available until the bulk checkin is unplugged.
>
> I agree that it is not easy to test whether the data is actually going
> to durable
> storage at the expected time.  FWIW, I did take a disk IO trace on Windows to
> verify that we are issuing disk writes and flushes at the right time.
> But that's a
> one-time test that would be hard to make automated.

I have some semi-related patches I need to dig up and finish sometime which add a "git gc" test mode to the test suite, i.e. any time we call "git gc --auto" it will go ahead and actually run, and some adversarial options to run always, right away, prune with --expire=now. It found some false positives, but also some genuine races and bugs at the time.

Similarly, I think a good longer term goal for better fsync() and data integrity in git is to refactor the various codepaths where we write to disk (grepping for fsync_or_die() is a good start to find those) to all live in one place, we could then easily instrument that code to run in a hostile test mode.

E.g. make anything that expects to write out a "foo" file actually write out "foo.not-synced-yet" as long as fsync() etc. hasn't been called, or with signals/timers/atexit() handlers fake up known FS edge cases such as a write of "foo" only renaming "foo.not-synced-yet" to "foo" 1s after the last close() call not followed by an fsync, etc.

Anyway, I expect given your occupation that you may have better ideas in that area, presumably needing to instrument and test behavior under I/O pressure, deferred syncs etc. is something mature FS's need to deal with as part of their own regression tests...

1. https://lore.kernel.org/git/cover-v2-0.4-0000000000-20210908T003631Z-avarab@gmail.com/
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  1. 0/2 [RFC] Implement a bulk-checkin option for core.fsyncObjectFilesNeeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 25, 2021
  2. 1/2 object-file: use futimes rather than utimeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 25, 2021
  3. Johannes SchindelinAug 25, 2021
  4. Neeraj SinghAug 25, 2021
  5. 2/2 core.fsyncobjectfiles: batch disk flushesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 25, 2021
  6. Christoph HellwigAug 25, 2021
  7. Neeraj SinghAug 25, 2021
  8. Christoph HellwigAug 26, 2021
  9. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonAug 25, 2021
  10. Neeraj SinghAug 26, 2021
  11. Christoph HellwigAug 26, 2021
  12. Neeraj SinghAug 28, 2021
  13. Christoph HellwigAug 28, 2021
  14. Neeraj SinghAug 31, 2021
  15. Christoph HellwigSep 1, 2021
  16. Christoph HellwigAug 26, 2021
  17. Johannes SchindelinAug 25, 2021
  18. Junio C HamanoAug 25, 2021
  19. Neeraj SinghAug 26, 2021
  20. Neeraj SinghAug 25, 2021
  21. 0/6 Implement a batched fsync option for core.fsyncObjectFilesNeeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 27, 2021
  22. 1/6 object-file: use futimens rather than utimeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 27, 2021
  23. 2/6 bulk-checkin: rename 'state' variable and separate 'plugged' booleanNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 27, 2021
  24. 3/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: batched disk flushesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 27, 2021
  25. 5/6 update-index: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 27, 2021
  26. 6/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: performance tests for add and stashNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 27, 2021
  27. 4/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: add windows support for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Aug 27, 2021
  28. Neeraj SinghSep 7, 2021
  29. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 7, 2021
  30. Randall S. BeckerSep 7, 2021
  31. Neeraj SinghSep 8, 2021
  32. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 8, 2021
  33. Randall S. BeckerSep 8, 2021
  34. Neeraj SinghSep 8, 2021
  35. Neeraj SinghSep 8, 2021
  36. Junio C HamanoSep 8, 2021
  37. Christoph HellwigSep 8, 2021
  38. Randall S. BeckerSep 8, 2021
  39. 'Christoph Hellwig'Sep 8, 2021
  40. Randall S. BeckerSep 8, 2021
  41. Neeraj SinghSep 8, 2021
  42. Junio C HamanoSep 8, 2021
  43. Neeraj SinghSep 8, 2021
  44. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 8, 2021
  45. 0/6 Implement a batched fsync option for core.fsyncObjectFilesNeeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 14, 2021
  46. 1/6 bulk-checkin: rename 'state' variable and separate 'plugged' booleanNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 14, 2021
  47. 2/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: batched disk flushesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 14, 2021
  48. Bagas SanjayaSep 14, 2021
  49. Neeraj SinghSep 14, 2021
  50. Junio C HamanoSep 14, 2021
  51. Junio C HamanoSep 14, 2021
  52. Neeraj SinghSep 15, 2021
  53. 3/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: add windows support for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 14, 2021
  54. 4/6 update-index: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 14, 2021
  55. Junio C HamanoSep 14, 2021
  56. 5/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: performance tests for add and stashNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 14, 2021
  57. 6/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: enable batch mode for testingNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 14, 2021
  58. Junio C HamanoSep 15, 2021
  59. Neeraj SinghSep 15, 2021
  60. Junio C HamanoSep 15, 2021
  61. Junio C HamanoSep 16, 2021
  62. Christoph HellwigSep 14, 2021
  63. 0/6 Implement a batched fsync option for core.fsyncObjectFilesNeeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 20, 2021
  64. 5/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: tests for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 20, 2021
  65. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 21, 2021
  66. Neeraj SinghSep 22, 2021
  67. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 22, 2021
  68. Neeraj SinghSep 22, 2021
  69. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 22, 2021
  70. 2/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: batched disk flushesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 20, 2021
  71. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 21, 2021
  72. Neeraj SinghSep 22, 2021
  73. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 22, 2021
  74. Neeraj SinghSep 22, 2021
  75. 1/6 bulk-checkin: rename 'state' variable and separate 'plugged' booleanNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 20, 2021
  76. 4/6 update-index: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 20, 2021
  77. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 21, 2021
  78. Neeraj SinghSep 22, 2021
  79. Neeraj SinghSep 23, 2021
  80. 3/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: add windows support for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 20, 2021
  81. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonSep 21, 2021
  82. Neeraj SinghSep 22, 2021
  83. 6/6 core.fsyncobjectfiles: performance tests for add and stashNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 20, 2021
  84. 0/7 Implement a batched fsync option for core.fsyncObjectFilesNeeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  85. 1/7 object-file.c: do not rename in a temp odbNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  86. 2/7 bulk-checkin: rename 'state' variable and separate 'plugged' booleanNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  87. 3/7 core.fsyncobjectfiles: batched disk flushesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  88. Neeraj SinghSep 24, 2021
  89. 4/7 update-index: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  90. Neeraj SinghSep 24, 2021
  91. 5/7 unpack-objects: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  92. 6/7 core.fsyncobjectfiles: tests for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  93. 7/7 core.fsyncobjectfiles: performance tests for add and stashNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  94. Neeraj SinghSep 24, 2021
  95. 0/8 Implement a batched fsync option for core.fsyncObjectFilesNeeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  96. 1/8 object-file.c: do not rename in a temp odbNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  97. 2/8 bulk-checkin: rename 'state' variable and separate 'plugged' booleanNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  98. 3/8 core.fsyncobjectfiles: batched disk flushesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  99. Bagas SanjayaSep 25, 2021
  100. Neeraj SinghSep 27, 2021
  101. 5/8 update-index: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  102. 4/8 core.fsyncobjectfiles: add windows support for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  103. Junio C HamanoSep 27, 2021
  104. Neeraj SinghSep 27, 2021
  105. Neeraj SinghSep 27, 2021
  106. Junio C HamanoSep 27, 2021
  107. 6/8 unpack-objects: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  108. 8/8 core.fsyncobjectfiles: performance tests for add and stashNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  109. 7/8 core.fsyncobjectfiles: tests for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 24, 2021
  110. 0/9 Implement a batched fsync option for core.fsyncObjectFilesNeeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  111. 1/9 object-file.c: do not rename in a temp odbNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  112. Jeff KingSep 28, 2021
  113. Neeraj SinghSep 29, 2021
  114. 3/9 bulk-checkin: rename 'state' variable and separate 'plugged' booleanNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  115. 2/9 tmp-objdir: new API for creating temporary writable databasesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  116. Elijah NewrenSep 29, 2021
  117. Neeraj SinghSep 29, 2021
  118. 4/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: batched disk flushesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  119. 5/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: add windows support for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  120. 6/9 update-index: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  121. 8/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: tests for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  122. 7/9 unpack-objects: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  123. 9/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: performance tests for add and stashNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Sep 28, 2021
  124. 0/9 Implement a batched fsync option for core.fsyncObjectFilesNeeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  125. 1/9 tmp-objdir: new API for creating temporary writable databasesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  126. 2/9 tmp-objdir: disable ref updates when replacing the primary odbNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  127. 3/9 bulk-checkin: rename 'state' variable and separate 'plugged' booleanNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  128. 4/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: batched disk flushesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  129. 5/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: add windows support for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  130. 6/9 update-index: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  131. 7/9 unpack-objects: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  132. 8/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: tests for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  133. 9/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: performance tests for add and stashNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Oct 4, 2021
  134. 0/9 Implement a batched fsync option for core.fsyncObjectFilesNeeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  135. 2/9 tmp-objdir: disable ref updates when replacing the primary odbNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  136. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonNov 16, 2021
  137. Neeraj SinghNov 16, 2021
  138. 1/9 tmp-objdir: new API for creating temporary writable databasesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  139. Elijah NewrenNov 30, 2021
  140. Neeraj SinghNov 30, 2021
  141. Elijah NewrenNov 30, 2021
  142. 3/9 bulk-checkin: rename 'state' variable and separate 'plugged' booleanNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  143. 4/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: batched disk flushesNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  144. 5/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: add windows support for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  145. 6/9 update-index: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  146. 7/9 unpack-objects: use the bulk-checkin infrastructureNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  147. 8/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: tests for batch modeNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  148. 9/9 core.fsyncobjectfiles: performance tests for add and stashNeeraj Singh via GitGitGadget, Nov 15, 2021
  149. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonNov 16, 2021
  150. Neeraj SinghNov 17, 2021
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  157. Neeraj SinghMar 10, 2022
  158. rsbecker@nexbridge.comMar 10, 2022
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