Re: [PATCH] doc: replace jargon word "impact" with "effect"/"affect"
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Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
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- May 12, 2021, 03:21 UTC
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- <609b49c85d761_678ff208cd@natae.notmuch>
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- <20210511202502.GM12700@kitsune.suse.cz>
Michal Suchánek wrote:
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> On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 02:59:32PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > Varun Varada wrote: > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 04:24, Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@suse.de> wrote: > > > > while using "will not impact" in an incorrect or unclear way may be a > > > > problem the word "impact" in itself is not "jargon". > > > > > > The word means "to have a strong or marked effect on" (v.) and "a > > > strong or market influence" (n.) when used figuratively; it is not > > > synonymous with "affect" and "effect", respectively, as shown even by > > > all of the entries you've cited. Using it as such is the incorrect > > > part, so those are the instances I've changed in the diff. > > > > There are two ways impact can be used as a verb: transitive and > > intransitive, but git doesn't seem to be using the intransitive form. In > > the transitive form it usually means to strike "the car impacted the > > tree". But it can also mean to have a desired effect "reducing CO2 > > emissions impacted climate change". > > I don't know where you find the 'desired' effect meaning. Certainly none > of the dictionaries I consulted at random provides such definition.
You yourself consulted Merriam-Webster [1]:
impact _verb_ : to have a direct effect or impact on : impinge on
Did you not? [2]
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> > None of these are used in the documentation, we have things like: > > > > the index does not impact the outcome > > > > Which is clearly wrong (unless we are talking about possitive outcome of > > the outcome, which makes no sense). > > It is not clearly wrong. To me it makes perfect sense. If you want to > claim it's wrong please provide a source for your claim.
Merriam-Webster [1].
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> > As a noun it can mean a siginificant or major effect: "the impact of > > science". > > > > However, the documentation is not using it that way: > > > > the runtime impact of tracking all omitted objects > > > > The noun usage is less wrong than the verb usage, but it's still wrong. > > Why is that wrong?
Because it's not a "a significant or major effect" [1].
> How did you infer that the effect is insignificant or minor?
I did not.
If I claim temperature $x is not hot, that doesn't mean I'm claiming it's cold.
> In fact while some dictionaries list 'impact' as 'have strong effect' > the Oxford dicrionary lists is as simply synonymous to 'affect'.
Synonymous doesn't mean equal. In fact, the Oxford dictionary defines "impact" as [3]:
the powerful effect that something has on somebody/something
Note: *powerful*.
> > But why bother? The word "affect" is a much superior choice. > > Why bother with a chenge at all?
Because it's better.
Do you have any evidence that it's worse?
[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impact [2] https://lore.kernel.org/git/20210406092440.GZ6564@kitsune.suse.cz/ [3] https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/impact_1
-- Felipe Contreras