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Re: [PATCH v2 4/4] init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranch

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Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>
Date
Dec 10, 2020, 12:12 UTC
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Hi Junio,
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, Junio C Hamano wrote:
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> Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:
>
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2020, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> >
> >> I am not saying it is a legitimate need.  I just wanted to make it
> >> clear that we deliberately chose not to grant that wish in the
> >> message.  An advice flag in this context means that the users can
> >> choose to let their distro and sysadm to flip the default silently,
> >> which is much worse than having to see the message every time they
> >> start a new repository with "git init".
> >
> > The distribution already can add patches, so this objection is a red
> > herring. The sysadm can pick a different value for `init.defaultBranch`
> > and dictate to the user silently what initial branch name to use, so that
> > is also a red herring.
>
> The "setting init.defaultBranch is the only way to squelch" approach
> means the ~/.gitconfig will have the settings soon after the user
> starts using Git and /etc/gitconfig will not allow administrators to
> force their will over what the user decides to use.  Distros adding
> patches to strip configurability by setting init.defaultBranch in
> user's ~/.gitconfig?  Is that the kind of possibilities worth
> discussing?
>
> So, no, your counter-argument above is nothing but a red-herring.
>
> If you want a counter-argument, please explain why "I am fine to see
> the default flipped to whatever the tool picks and having no control
> over when the flipping happens" can be a sensible choice for users
> with what kind of workflows.  The only folks I can think of who
> would be fine with that are (1) those who do not create the second
> branch in the repository and will stay on the primary branch
> forever, and (2) those who immediately rename the branch to what
> they want after "git init".  For other folks, such a choice is a
> disaster waiting to happen, and it just feels irresponsible to offer
> such a choice, at least to me.
I'll make this short.

I talked to a couple Git users whether they'd be fine if `git init` used a different branch name by default, and everybody I asked said essentially "yeah, whatever, I don't really care".

For that reason, Git for Windows' installer has that option, and will keep offering it.

Ciao, Dscho

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  1. 0/3 Add helpful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 22, 2020
  2. 2/3 get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some adviceJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 22, 2020
  3. 1/3 init: document `init.defaultBranch` betterJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 22, 2020
  4. Junio C HamanoNov 22, 2020
  5. Johannes SchindelinNov 23, 2020
  6. 3/3 init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 22, 2020
  7. Junio C HamanoNov 22, 2020
  8. Junio C HamanoNov 23, 2020
  9. Johannes SchindelinNov 23, 2020
  10. Junio C HamanoNov 23, 2020
  11. Johannes SchindelinNov 23, 2020
  12. Junio C HamanoNov 23, 2020
  13. Johannes SchindelinNov 23, 2020
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  16. 0/4 Add helpful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 23, 2020
  17. 1/4 init: document `init.defaultBranch` betterJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 23, 2020
  18. 3/4 get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some adviceJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 23, 2020
  19. 2/4 branch -m: allow renaming a yet-unborn branchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 23, 2020
  20. Junio C HamanoNov 23, 2020
  21. Johannes SchindelinNov 24, 2020
  22. Junio C HamanoNov 24, 2020
  23. 4/4 init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 23, 2020
  24. Junio C HamanoNov 23, 2020
  25. Johannes SchindelinNov 24, 2020
  26. Junio C HamanoNov 24, 2020
  27. Johannes SchindelinDec 9, 2020
  28. Junio C HamanoDec 9, 2020
  29. Johannes SchindelinDec 10, 2020
  30. Junio C HamanoDec 10, 2020
  31. Felipe ContrerasDec 10, 2020
  32. 0/4 Add helpful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 24, 2020
  33. 1/4 init: document `init.defaultBranch` betterJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 24, 2020
  34. 4/4 init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 24, 2020
  35. 2/4 branch -m: allow renaming a yet-unborn branchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 24, 2020
  36. 3/4 get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some adviceJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Nov 24, 2020
  37. 0/4 Add helpful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 10, 2020
  38. 4/4 init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 10, 2020
  39. Felipe ContrerasDec 11, 2020
  40. Junio C HamanoDec 11, 2020
  41. Felipe ContrerasDec 11, 2020
  42. Johannes SchindelinDec 11, 2020
  43. 2/4 branch -m: allow renaming a yet-unborn branchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 10, 2020
  44. 1/4 init: document `init.defaultBranch` betterJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 10, 2020
  45. Felipe ContrerasDec 11, 2020
  46. Junio C HamanoDec 11, 2020
  47. Felipe ContrerasDec 11, 2020
  48. Junio C HamanoDec 11, 2020
  49. 3/4 get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some adviceJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 10, 2020
  50. 0/4 Add helpful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 11, 2020
  51. 2/4 branch -m: allow renaming a yet-unborn branchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 11, 2020
  52. 1/4 init: document `init.defaultBranch` betterJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 11, 2020
  53. 3/4 get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some adviceJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 11, 2020
  54. 4/4 init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranchJohannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget, Dec 11, 2020
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