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Re: [PATCH v9 2/5] bugreport: add tool to generate debugging info

From
Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>
Date
Mar 10, 2020, 11:42 UTC
Message-ID
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Hi Junio,
On Mon, 9 Mar 2020, Junio C Hamano wrote:
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> Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:
>
> > On the other hand, if we make `git-bugreport` a built-in, I cannot see any
> > downsides.
> >
> > For me, therefore, having it as a built-in is a clear win. What am I
> > missing?
>
> The right sense of relative importance between efficiently running
> the rest of Git by not bloting the main binary and making sure not
> to ship Git that does not run unless "git bugreport" runs (which
> makes sure that "bugreport" runs) is what you are missing, I
> suspect.
By that reasoning, `git bugreport` should not be included in core Git.
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> Another thing is that you are giving "git bugreport" too much weight
> and too little credit to inexperienced users, by assuming that we
> will never hear from them when "bugreport" is incapable to run for
> them.  They will report, with or without "git bugreport", and the
> more important thing you seem to be missing is that after the
> initial contact it would become an interactive process---there is
> no reason to prioritize to ensure that the initial contact has
> everything that is needed to diagnose any issue without further
> interaction.  "With my build, even 'bugreport' dumps core." is
> perfectly good place to start.
>
> Besides, wouldn't the ones on platforms, on which "git bugreport"
> may have trouble running, i.e. the ones on minority and exotic
> platforms, tend to be self sufficient and capable (both diagnosing
> the issue for themselves, and reaching out to us as appropriate)
> ones in practice (e.g. I have NonStop folks in mind)?

Yes, I can agree that inexperienced users will not give up and keep up the conversation until they see their problems fixed.

I can also agree that inexperienced users will report bugs even if it is not made super easy for them to do so.

I can agree to that _iff_ I ignore my entire experience maintaining Git for Windows, that is.

Sarcasm aside, I think that you underestimate the importance of a good bug reporting tool like `git bugreport`, and I suspect that Emily does not.

Ciao, Dscho

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Message 67 of 87 in “add git-bugreport tool”
  1. 00/15 add git-bugreport toolEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  2. 02/15 help: add shell-path to --build-optionsEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  3. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  4. Emily ShafferFeb 20, 2020
  5. 01/15 help: move list_config_help to builtin/helpEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  6. 03/15 bugreport: add tool to generate debugging infoEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  7. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  8. Emily ShafferFeb 20, 2020
  9. Johannes SchindelinFeb 26, 2020
  10. 04/15 bugreport: gather git version and build infoEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  11. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  12. Emily ShafferFeb 20, 2020
  13. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  14. 05/15 bugreport: add uname infoEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  15. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  16. Emily ShafferFeb 20, 2020
  17. 06/15 bugreport: add compiler infoEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  18. Danh DoanFeb 20, 2020
  19. Emily ShafferFeb 20, 2020
  20. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  21. Junio C HamanoFeb 21, 2020
  22. 07/15 bugreport: add git-remote-https versionEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  23. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  24. Emily ShafferFeb 20, 2020
  25. Junio C HamanoFeb 21, 2020
  26. Emily ShafferFeb 25, 2020
  27. Junio C HamanoFeb 25, 2020
  28. Emily ShafferFeb 25, 2020
  29. Junio C HamanoFeb 25, 2020
  30. Emily ShafferFeb 25, 2020
  31. 08/15 bugreport: include user interactive shellEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  32. 09/15 bugreport: generate config safelist based on docsEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  33. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  34. Johannes SchindelinFeb 26, 2020
  35. Junio C HamanoFeb 26, 2020
  36. 10/15 bugreport: add config values from safelistEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  37. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  38. 11/15 bugreport: collect list of populated hooksEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  39. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  40. Emily ShafferFeb 25, 2020
  41. 12/15 bugreport: count loose objectsEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  42. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  43. Emily ShafferFeb 25, 2020
  44. Emily ShafferFeb 25, 2020
  45. 13/15 bugreport: add packed object summaryEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  46. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  47. Emily ShafferFeb 25, 2020
  48. 14/15 bugreport: list contents of $OBJDIR/infoEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  49. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  50. 15/15 bugreport: summarize contents of alternates fileEmily Shaffer, Feb 20, 2020
  51. Johannes SchindelinFeb 20, 2020
  52. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2020
  53. 0/5 add git-bugreport toolEmily Shaffer, Mar 2, 2020
  54. 1/5 help: move list_config_help to builtin/helpEmily Shaffer, Mar 2, 2020
  55. 2/5 bugreport: add tool to generate debugging infoEmily Shaffer, Mar 2, 2020
  56. Johannes SchindelinMar 3, 2020
  57. Johannes SchindelinMar 4, 2020
  58. Jeff HostetlerMar 5, 2020
  59. Johannes SchindelinMar 6, 2020
  60. Junio C HamanoMar 6, 2020
  61. Junio C HamanoMar 6, 2020
  62. Jeff HostetlerMar 6, 2020
  63. Johannes SchindelinMar 8, 2020
  64. Junio C HamanoMar 9, 2020
  65. Johannes SchindelinMar 9, 2020
  66. Junio C HamanoMar 9, 2020
  67. Johannes SchindelinMar 10, 2020
  68. Junio C HamanoMar 10, 2020
  69. Johannes SchindelinMar 10, 2020
  70. Emily ShafferMar 19, 2020
  71. Junio C HamanoMar 20, 2020
  72. Johannes SchindelinMar 20, 2020
  73. Emily ShafferMar 23, 2020
  74. Johannes SchindelinMar 20, 2020
  75. Emily ShafferMar 23, 2020
  76. Junio C HamanoMar 20, 2020
  77. Johannes SchindelinMar 20, 2020
  78. Junio C HamanoMar 20, 2020
  79. Johannes SchindelinMar 21, 2020
  80. 3/5 bugreport: gather git version and build infoEmily Shaffer, Mar 2, 2020
  81. Junio C HamanoMar 23, 2020
  82. 4/5 bugreport: add uname infoEmily Shaffer, Mar 2, 2020
  83. 5/5 bugreport: add compiler infoEmily Shaffer, Mar 2, 2020
  84. Danh DoanMar 3, 2020
  85. Junio C HamanoMar 3, 2020
  86. Johannes SchindelinMar 4, 2020
  87. Emily ShafferMar 23, 2020

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