Re: [PATCH 1/4] Documentation: use singular they when appropriate

From: Robert Karszniewicz <avoidr@posteo.de>
Date: Jun 14, 2021, 22:10 UTC
Message-ID: <YMfT2YrWiaOnfG9D@BDZ>
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2106100947170.57@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet>

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 10:18:11AM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote:

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> Hi Emily,
> 
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Emily Shaffer wrote:
> 
> > There is value in intentionally defaulting to "she/her", especially in
> > settings where women are underrepresented. It can be a nice way to shake
> > the foundations of unconscious bias in the reader's head. See
> > https://www.askamanager.org/2011/07/why-i-refer-to-everyone-as-she.html
> > as an example.
> 
> I am glad you brought this up.
> 
> It is all too easy for male readers such as myself to not even notice how
> effortless it is to read text that includes you, whether by the pronoun
> "he" or by avoiding any gendered pronoun altogether.
> 
> All the more surprising that the same male readers (again, I will include
> myself as it still happens to me, despite all the work I embarked on to
> become more conscious of my own biases) will stumble over sentences where
> a female pronoun "excludes" them.
> 
> And the first reaction, funnily enough, is rarely "Oh, _that_ is how I
> make half of the population feel all the time!". Instead it is more like
> "How dare they exclude me"?

Funnily enough, I was also in such a situation, and as I explained in another email in this thread, I /didn't even notice until the very end/, at which I didn't mind at all, but made a joke about it and the answer implied that I'm some kind of sexist, which was deeply insulting to me.

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> 
> Funny side note: this is precisely what happened recently in Germany,
> where a law was proposed, and in contrast to common practices (which
> dictates to use the "generic male form", i.e. "he/him", as the German
> language does not have a singular "they"), it used the "generic female"
> instead. I bet you can imagine the indignant backlash from male
> politicians...

Right, that's because there is no "generic femininum", it is a feminist invention that didn't quite catch on, and not without reason. It is a solution looking to create problems.

(I live in Germany) I've listened to how real people talk "on the streets" and my experience is that they use the generic masculinum, whether the speaker is male or female. Pretty much the only place I see people gender their speech is on TV and in academia. And, "funnily enough", they do so heavily inconsistently, as that is impossible to do consistently, if the point is to actually convey information and not neuro-linguistic programming.

The reason why the generic masculinum is the default is that in our minds it is a no-op, and that's not because there is some kind of conspiracy against non-males, but because nobody actually cares about sex, because it is a completely irrelevant detail. The only way I can see why someone would even notice the sex, is that he actually cares about the sex.

However, if you use the female form, the brain will stumble. Not because the listener is angry because females should not be spoken to or about, but because it trips the brain's pattern recognition. Isn't it "funny" how we listen up when a female is mentioned, but nobody cares when the male is mentioned?

So if the male politicians backlashed on using a "generic femininum", they were very right to do so; males have to share their gender with everyone, females have their own exclusive gender. One might even dare to assert that males do not actually have their own gender at all in the first place.

Cheers, Robert Karszniewicz