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Re: Rss produced by git is not valid xml?

From
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Date
Nov 18, 2005, 21:48 UTC
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> And last I heard (if I remember correctly), Junio explicitly said that a 
> lot of the people he works with still use shift-jis.
I should have dug it up. Apparently it's AUC-JP, not SJIS. 

Anyway. I literally have _no_ idea what the difference between those encodings are. I'm totally clueless when it comes to how the encodings actually work etc. I wouldn't know a Japanese character if it painted itself purple and did a risqué dance number.

But I do know just how slowly these conversions happen, and what a huge deal it is for people who have documents and tools and databases that are encoded in some particular encoding.

You do have to realize that while you may think that it's stupid that people use a non-utf8 encoding, those very people don't actually see a huge advantage from switching away from what has worked for them for decades, and they _do_ see huge transition pains and costs.

So let's say that you have a project where the coding style includes S-JIS or EUC-JP (of which there are multiple variations, I believe, just to make things even more fun). You could argue that if such a project moves into git, it should be converted to UTF-8 at that point. That's all fine and dandy, but usually you don't do flag-days. You have people who start tracking it in git, and maybe even developing it in git, but they still have to work with the outside people.

Want to do on-the-fly conversion on CVS import (or worse yet - something like clearcase)? With magic rules or fragile heuristics for binary files? That's crazy, and that's not how these things work. No, the way these things work is that they continue to be maintained in EUC-JP or whatever, and a tool that requires conversion is a tool that just doesn't get used.

			Linus
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  1. Ismail DonmezNov 18, 2005
  2. Ismail DonmezNov 18, 2005
  3. Ismail DonmezNov 18, 2005
  4. Kay SieversNov 18, 2005
  5. Ismail DonmezNov 18, 2005
  6. Linus TorvaldsNov 18, 2005
  7. H. Peter AnvinNov 18, 2005
  8. Linus TorvaldsNov 18, 2005
  9. H. Peter AnvinNov 18, 2005
  10. Josef WeidendorferNov 18, 2005
  11. Kay SieversNov 18, 2005
  12. Ismail DonmezNov 18, 2005
  13. Linus TorvaldsNov 18, 2005
  14. Ismail DonmezNov 18, 2005
  15. Junio C HamanoNov 18, 2005
  16. Ismail DonmezNov 18, 2005
  17. Junio C HamanoNov 19, 2005
  18. Kay SieversNov 18, 2005
  19. Linus TorvaldsNov 18, 2005
  20. Ismail DonmezNov 18, 2005
  21. Linus TorvaldsNov 18, 2005
  22. H. Peter AnvinNov 18, 2005
  23. Linus TorvaldsNov 18, 2005
  24. H. Peter AnvinNov 18, 2005
  25. Andreas EricssonNov 18, 2005
  26. H. Peter AnvinNov 19, 2005
  27. Andreas EricssonNov 19, 2005
  28. Johannes SchindelinNov 19, 2005
  29. Linus TorvaldsNov 18, 2005
  30. H. Peter AnvinNov 18, 2005
  31. Johannes SchindelinNov 19, 2005
  32. Linus TorvaldsNov 18, 2005
  33. Johannes SchindelinNov 19, 2005
  34. Junio C HamanoNov 19, 2005
  35. Linus TorvaldsNov 19, 2005
  36. Junio C HamanoNov 19, 2005
  37. Linus TorvaldsNov 19, 2005
  38. Johannes SchindelinNov 20, 2005
  39. Linus TorvaldsNov 20, 2005
  40. Johannes SchindelinNov 20, 2005
  41. Johannes SchindelinNov 19, 2005
  42. H. Peter AnvinNov 20, 2005
  43. Johannes SchindelinNov 21, 2005
  44. H. Peter AnvinNov 21, 2005
  45. Junio C HamanoNov 19, 2005
  46. H. Peter AnvinNov 19, 2005
  47. Junio C HamanoNov 27, 2005
  48. Linus TorvaldsNov 27, 2005
  49. 2/3 mailinfo: allow -u to fall back on latin1 to utf8 conversion.Junio C Hamano, Nov 28, 2005
  50. H. Peter AnvinNov 28, 2005
  51. Junio C HamanoNov 28, 2005
  52. Kay SieversNov 27, 2005

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