Re: [PATCH 1/9] remote-bzr: trivial cleanups

> [completely off-topic; don't worry, we're just having a friendly chat]
>
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> If you are not prepared to defend your review, so are others, why to
>> you blame that on me? If you were right, you would be shown to be
>> right. Period.
>
> Felipe, there are some things that are worth arguing about for a long
> time (like the new revision spec I'm proposing in [1]), and others
> that are not.
>
> [1]: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/222248/focus=222526

>> No, we operate in evidence and reason, *not* opinion. Any reasonable
>> person would say "well, I *think* this commit message needs more
>> description, but I don't *know*, I don't have *evidence* for it, so
>> I'm not going to fight to the death, as if I had".
>
> Don't you think you're taking reason to an extreme here?  Reason is a
> tool that I use when I want.  I don't want reason when I'm browsing
> Google Art Project or listening to Gentle Giant.  Arguments like "is
> this commit message large enough?" are really not worth the time and
> effort.

>> Ultimately the decision to merge or not to merge comes to Junio, if
>> you don't like his decision, go complain to him, but I would be
>> prepared with points in time where people complained about these
>> patches, and there are no complains, so you have no ammunition at all
>> whatsoever.
>
> I have no desire to "attack" you, Felipe.  I respect you as a more
> experienced developer than myself, and am trying to offer constructive
> criticism.
>
> I don't have an ego (or consider myself important to the community).
> Whatever will happen will happen, with or without me.

>> And this is how communities die. When everybody thinks the same, and
>> everyone who thinks differently is displaced. A monoculture, a place
>> full of yes-men where nobody criticizes anybody, a circlejerk where
>> everyone palms the back of everyone else. Eventually things go south,
>> and nobody around you understands why.
>>
>> Diversity in a community is healthy. If you don't like people who
>> think differently, *you* have a problem. If you don't like standing up
>> and defending your ideas, *you* have a problem. If you don't like
>> discussing on the basis of evidence and reason, *you* have a problem.
>
> Diversity is certainly healthy, and I it would be nice to have you in
> the community.  We just have to find a way to keep the conflict down.