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Re: [RFC] clang-format: outline the git project's coding style

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brian m. carlson <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
Date
Aug 15, 2017, 00:40 UTC
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On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 07:19:00PM -0400, Jeff King wrote:
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> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 03:53:17PM -0700, Stefan Beller wrote:
> 
> > >> Right, the reason I stopped pursuing it was that I couldn't find a way
> > >> to have it make suggestions for new code without nagging about existing
> > >> code. If we were to aggressively reformat to match the tool for existing
> > >> code, that would help. But I'm a bit worried that there would always be
> > >> suggestions from the tool that we don't agree with (i.e., where the
> > >> guiding principle is "do what is readable").
> > 
> > We may have different opinions on what is readable/beautiful code.
> > If we were to follow a mutual agreed style that is produced by a tool,
> > we could use clean/smudge filters with different settings each.
> 
> I'm less worried about a difference of opinion between humans. My
> concern is that there are cases that the tool's formatting makes _worse_
> than what any human would write. And either we accept ugly code because
> the tool sucks, or we spend a bunch of time fighting with the tool to
> try to make its output look good.

This has been my issue with clang-format in the past. I have an SHA-256 implementation with an array of 64 32-bit hex integers. These fit six to a line, but for neatness and consistency reasons, I'd like them four to a line (4 divides 64, but 6 does not). Last I checked, clang-format didn't allow me that option: it reordered them because it could fit six on a line. This is not the only issue I discovered, just the most memorable.

Other tools, such as perltidy, have traditionally honored existing line breaks better (although not perfectly), which lets humans optimize for readability.

Of course, clang-format could have dramatically improved since I last looked (which was around clang 3.4 or 3.6, I think).

Overall, I do like the idea of using tidy tools, because it does reduce quibbling over style quite a bit. I just like the tools to be more responsive to the whitespace they're given on input.

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  1. Brandon WilliamsAug 8, 2017
  2. Johannes SchindelinAug 8, 2017
  3. Stefan BellerAug 8, 2017
  4. Brandon WilliamsAug 8, 2017
  5. Johannes SchindelinAug 9, 2017
  6. Stefan BellerAug 9, 2017
  7. Johannes SchindelinAug 10, 2017
  8. Junio C HamanoAug 10, 2017
  9. Brandon WilliamsAug 10, 2017
  10. Junio C HamanoAug 10, 2017
  11. Brandon WilliamsAug 10, 2017
  12. Ben PeartAug 11, 2017
  13. Johannes SchindelinAug 14, 2017
  14. Johannes SchindelinSep 28, 2017
  15. Brandon WilliamsSep 28, 2017
  16. Junio C HamanoAug 8, 2017
  17. Brandon WilliamsAug 8, 2017
  18. Junio C HamanoAug 8, 2017
  19. Junio C HamanoAug 9, 2017
  20. Brandon WilliamsAug 11, 2017
  21. Junio C HamanoAug 11, 2017
  22. Jeff KingAug 9, 2017
  23. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonAug 9, 2017
  24. Stefan BellerAug 9, 2017
  25. Stefan BellerAug 9, 2017
  26. Jeff KingAug 9, 2017
  27. brian m. carlsonAug 15, 2017
  28. Jonathan NiederAug 15, 2017
  29. Brandon WilliamsAug 11, 2017
  30. Jeff KingAug 11, 2017
  31. Junio C HamanoAug 12, 2017
  32. Jeff KingAug 13, 2017
  33. Ramsay JonesAug 13, 2017
  34. Ramsay JonesAug 13, 2017
  35. Junio C HamanoAug 13, 2017
  36. Ramsay JonesAug 13, 2017
  37. 0/2 clang-formatBrandon Williams, Aug 14, 2017
  38. 2/2 Makefile: add style build ruleBrandon Williams, Aug 14, 2017
  39. Stefan BellerAug 14, 2017
  40. Junio C HamanoAug 14, 2017
  41. Stefan BellerAug 14, 2017
  42. Jeff KingAug 14, 2017
  43. Junio C HamanoAug 14, 2017
  44. Junio C HamanoAug 14, 2017
  45. Brandon WilliamsAug 15, 2017
  46. Jeff KingAug 15, 2017
  47. 1/2 clang-format: outline the git project's coding styleBrandon Williams, Aug 14, 2017
  48. Stefan BellerAug 14, 2017
  49. Ben PeartAug 15, 2017
  50. Brandon WilliamsAug 15, 2017
  51. Jeff KingAug 14, 2017
  52. Jeff KingAug 14, 2017
  53. Brandon WilliamsAug 14, 2017
  54. Jeff KingAug 14, 2017
  55. Johannes SchindelinAug 16, 2017
  56. Ben PeartAug 15, 2017
  57. Brandon WilliamsAug 15, 2017
  58. Stefan BellerAug 15, 2017
  59. Brandon WilliamsAug 14, 2017
  60. Jeff KingAug 14, 2017
  61. Stefan BellerAug 14, 2017
  62. Jeff KingAug 15, 2017
  63. Junio C HamanoAug 15, 2017
  64. Jeff KingAug 15, 2017

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