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Re: [PATCH] remote-helpers: point at their upstream repositories

From
James Denholm <nod.helm@gmail.com>
Date
May 18, 2014, 01:24 UTC
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Felipe Contreras wrote:
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> James Denholm wrote:
> > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 05:39:42PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > > (...) I would venture to say you have never made a package in your
> > > life.
> > 
> > And you have, Felipe? Let us see the years of experience you surely have
> > in the field.
> 
> As a matter of fact, yes I've written many packages, for Debian, Fedora,
> ArchLinux, and others. Even Windows installers.

I'd hardly say that a few PKGBUILDs count. I've written some myself, not hard to do.

That said, if I had realised you were going to discuss such a trivial thing - _making_ packages rather than _maintaining_ them in a repo - I'd have dismissed your statement as mere idiotic vitriol.

Do you honestly think that Junio has _never made a package?_ Never, on any of the systems he's ever touched, run makepkg or debuild or whathaveyou?

I could be wrong here, but I'm fairly sure that Junio is a *nix software developer of some kind or another. You know, given that he's the maintainer of git, kinda might be the case. And I really doubt that any *nix dev, _anywhere_, could have _any_ sort of success without looking sideways once or twice at a package builder, given that pre-release homebrewing of expected packages is only an absolutely critical part of testing.

Come on, man. Don't be silly.
> But that's a red herring. Even if was the worst packager in history,
> that doesn't make Junio's decision any more correct.

No, but it would render your bizarre, tantrum-like accusations as generally baseless. I mean, I don't think anyone actually puts weight on them anyway, but hey, never hurts to shine a spotlight on nonsense.

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> > > The fact that you think packagers of git would simply package
> > > git-remote-hg/bzr as well is pretty appalling.
> > 
> > It's not an outlandish thought, in fact, I'd suggest it as probable -
> > provided that they find the projects to be stable and of high quality.
> 
> Do you want to bet?

Not a betting man. However, ignoring that for a moment, I doubt we'd be able to agree on checks and balances for the case where git-remote-hg/bzr were rejected due to the code being of poor quality or unstable. So no, I won't bet, because you hold your own work and opinions as sacrosanct and infallible.

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> > You, or someone else, might have to tap them on the shoulder and play
> > nice to _ensure_ they know about them (after all, we all know that
> > packagers _never_ read READMEs, do they), but you're capable of that,
> > I'm sure.
> 
> In my experience packagers scratch their own itches, and if
> git-remote-hg/bzr are not their itch, I don't see why any amount of
> nice poking would make them package them. Some other packager would have
> to do it, not the Git packagers.

If there's a demand, Felipe, and the build process is sane, I can't see why they wouldn't. Package maintainers are aware they provide a service to their distributions. If you really want, poke them _with_ the majority of the necessary work done, hand them the PKGBUILDs/whathaveyou yourself. Pre-scratch the itch if you really feel they won't care.

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  1. remote-helpers: point at their upstream repositoriesJunio C Hamano, May 15, 2014
  2. Felipe ContrerasMay 16, 2014
  3. Jeff KingMay 16, 2014
  4. Paolo CiarrocchiMay 16, 2014
  5. Jeff KingMay 16, 2014
  6. Felipe ContrerasMay 16, 2014
  7. Felipe ContrerasMay 16, 2014
  8. Junio C HamanoMay 16, 2014
  9. Felipe ContrerasMay 16, 2014
  10. James DenholmMay 17, 2014
  11. Felipe ContrerasMay 17, 2014
  12. James DenholmMay 18, 2014
  13. Felipe ContrerasMay 18, 2014
  14. Junio C HamanoMay 18, 2014
  15. Felipe ContrerasMay 19, 2014
  16. Junio C HamanoMay 19, 2014
  17. Michael HaggertyMay 20, 2014
  18. Johan HerlandMay 20, 2014
  19. Felipe ContrerasMay 20, 2014
  20. Felipe ContrerasMay 20, 2014
  21. Jeff KingMay 16, 2014
  22. Felipe ContrerasMay 17, 2014
  23. Jeff KingMay 17, 2014
  24. Felipe ContrerasMay 17, 2014
  25. Matthieu MoyMay 18, 2014
  26. Felipe ContrerasMay 18, 2014
  27. Junio C HamanoMay 18, 2014
  28. Felipe ContrerasMay 19, 2014
  29. Junio C HamanoMay 19, 2014
  30. Felipe ContrerasMay 19, 2014
  31. Junio C HamanoMay 19, 2014
  32. Junio C HamanoMay 19, 2014
  33. Felipe ContrerasMay 20, 2014
  34. Junio C HamanoMay 20, 2014
  35. Junio C HamanoMay 19, 2014
  36. Felipe ContrerasMay 20, 2014
  37. Junio C HamanoMay 20, 2014
  38. Felipe ContrerasMay 20, 2014
  39. Junio C HamanoMay 20, 2014
  40. Junio C HamanoMay 16, 2014

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