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Re: [PATCH 0/6] PATH WALK I: The path-walk API

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Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
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> On Mon, Nov 04, 2024 at 10:48:49AM -0500, Derrick Stolee wrote:
>> I disagree that all environments will prefer the --full-name-hash. I'm
>> currently repeating the performance tests right now, and I've added one.
>> The issues are:
>> 
>>  1. The --full-name-hash approach sometimes leads to a larger pack when
>>     using "git push" on the client, especially when the name-hash is
>>     already effective for compressing across paths.
>
> That's interesting. I wonder which cases get worse, and if a larger
> window size might help. I.e., presumably we are pushing the candidates
> further away in the sorted delta list.
>
>>  2. A depth 1 shallow clone cannot use previous versions of a path, so
>>     those situations will want to use the normal name hash. This can be
>>     accomplished simply by disabling the --full-name-hash option when
>>     the --shallow option is present; a more detailed version could be
>>     used to check for a large depth before disabling it. This case also
>>     disables bitmaps, so that isn't something to worry about.
>
> I'm not sure why a larger hash would be worse in a shallow clone. As you
> note, with only one version of each path the name-similarity heuristic
> is not likely to buy you much. But I'd have thought that would be true
> for the existing name hash as well as a longer one. Maybe this is the
> "over-emphasizing" case.

I too am curious to hear Derrick explain the above points and what was learned from the performance tests. The original hash was designed to place files that are renamed across directories closer to each other in the list sorted by the name hash, so a/Makefile and b/Makefile would likely be treated as delta-base candidates while foo/bar.c and bar/foo.c are treated as unrelated things. A push of a handful of commits that rename paths would likely place the rename source of older commits and rename destination of newer commits into the same delta chain, even with a smaller delta window.

In such a history, uniformly-distributed-without-regard-to-renames hash is likely to make them into two distinct delta chains, leading to less optimal delta-base selection.

A whole-repository packing, or a large push or fetch, of the same history with renamed files are affected a lot less by such negative effects of full-name hash. When generating a pack with more commits than the "--window", use of the original hash would mean blobs from paths that share similar names (e.g., "Makefile"s everywhere in the directory hierarchy) are placed close to each other, but full-name hash will likely group the blobs from exactly the same path and nothing else together, and the resulting delta-chain for identical (and not similar) paths would be sufficiently long. A long delta chain has to be broken into multiple chains _anyway_ due to finite "--depth" setting, so placing blobs from each path into its own (initial) delta chain, completely ignoring renamed paths, would likely to give us long enough (initial) delta chain to be split at the depth limit.

It would lead to a good delta-base selection with smaller window size quite efficiently with full-name hash.

I think a full-name hash forces a single-commit pack of a wide tree to give up on deltified blobs, but with the original hash, at least similar and common files (e.g. Makefile and COPYING) would sit close together in the delta queue and can be deltified with each other, which may be where the inefficiency comes from when full-name hash is used.

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  1. 0/6 PATH WALK I: The path-walk APIDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Oct 31, 2024
  2. 1/6 path-walk: introduce an object walk by pathDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Oct 31, 2024
  3. karthik nayakNov 1, 2024
  4. Derrick StoleeNov 1, 2024
  5. 2/6 test-lib-functions: add test_cmp_sortedDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Oct 31, 2024
  6. 3/6 t6601: add helper for testing path-walk APIDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Oct 31, 2024
  7. karthik nayakNov 1, 2024
  8. Jonathan TanNov 1, 2024
  9. Derrick StoleeNov 4, 2024
  10. Jonathan TanNov 4, 2024
  11. Derrick StoleeNov 8, 2024
  12. Patrick SteinhardtNov 6, 2024
  13. Derrick StoleeNov 8, 2024
  14. 4/6 path-walk: allow consumer to specify object typesDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Oct 31, 2024
  15. 5/6 path-walk: visit tags and cached objectsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Oct 31, 2024
  16. karthik nayakNov 1, 2024
  17. Derrick StoleeNov 4, 2024
  18. 6/6 path-walk: mark trees and blobs as UNINTERESTINGDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Oct 31, 2024
  19. Derrick StoleeOct 31, 2024
  20. Taylor BlauNov 1, 2024
  21. Derrick StoleeNov 4, 2024
  22. Jeff KingNov 4, 2024
  23. Junio C HamanoNov 5, 2024
  24. Derrick StoleeNov 8, 2024
  25. Junio C HamanoNov 11, 2024
  26. Derrick StoleeNov 11, 2024
  27. Jeff KingNov 11, 2024
  28. Junio C HamanoNov 11, 2024
  29. Jeff KingNov 11, 2024
  30. 0/6 PATH WALK I: The path-walk APIDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Nov 9, 2024
  31. 1/6 path-walk: introduce an object walk by pathDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Nov 9, 2024
  32. 2/6 test-lib-functions: add test_cmp_sortedDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Nov 9, 2024
  33. 3/6 t6601: add helper for testing path-walk APIDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Nov 9, 2024
  34. Taylor BlauNov 21, 2024
  35. 4/6 path-walk: allow consumer to specify object typesDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Nov 9, 2024
  36. Taylor BlauNov 21, 2024
  37. 5/6 path-walk: visit tags and cached objectsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Nov 9, 2024
  38. 6/6 path-walk: mark trees and blobs as UNINTERESTINGDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Nov 9, 2024
  39. Taylor BlauNov 21, 2024
  40. Patrick SteinhardtNov 25, 2024
  41. Junio C HamanoNov 26, 2024
  42. Patrick SteinhardtNov 26, 2024
  43. Junio C HamanoNov 26, 2024
  44. 0/7 PATH WALK I: The path-walk APIDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 6, 2024
  45. 1/7 path-walk: introduce an object walk by pathDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 6, 2024
  46. Patrick SteinhardtDec 13, 2024
  47. Derrick StoleeDec 18, 2024
  48. Patrick SteinhardtDec 27, 2024
  49. 2/7 test-lib-functions: add test_cmp_sortedDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 6, 2024
  50. 3/7 t6601: add helper for testing path-walk APIDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 6, 2024
  51. 4/7 path-walk: allow consumer to specify object typesDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 6, 2024
  52. 5/7 path-walk: visit tags and cached objectsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 6, 2024
  53. Patrick SteinhardtDec 13, 2024
  54. Derrick StoleeDec 18, 2024
  55. 6/7 path-walk: mark trees and blobs as UNINTERESTINGDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 6, 2024
  56. 7/7 path-walk: reorder object visitsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 6, 2024
  57. Patrick SteinhardtDec 13, 2024
  58. 0/7 PATH WALK I: The path-walk APIDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 20, 2024
  59. 1/7 path-walk: introduce an object walk by pathDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 20, 2024
  60. Patrick SteinhardtDec 27, 2024
  61. 2/7 test-lib-functions: add test_cmp_sortedDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 20, 2024
  62. 3/7 t6601: add helper for testing path-walk APIDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 20, 2024
  63. 4/7 path-walk: allow consumer to specify object typesDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 20, 2024
  64. 5/7 path-walk: visit tags and cached objectsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 20, 2024
  65. 6/7 path-walk: mark trees and blobs as UNINTERESTINGDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 20, 2024
  66. 7/7 path-walk: reorder object visitsDerrick Stolee via GitGitGadget, Dec 20, 2024
  67. karthik nayakNov 1, 2024

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