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Re: Official Git Homepage change? Re: git-scm.com

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Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com>
Date
Jul 26, 2008, 06:43 UTC
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
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> Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz> writes:
>
>> .... Of course, I would be transferring the control of the homepage
>> from my hands so I would like to poll the community about how do people
>> feel about this - opinion of core Git contributors would be especially
>> welcome...
>> ...
>>   - The new site is affiliated with a commercial entity - GitHub.
>> The website maintainer also has commercial interest in some published
>> Git learning materials, which might generate certain conflict of
>> interests; we must trust them that they handle this well.
>>   - Both GitHub and Scott seem to be rather distanced from the "core"
>> Git development community. This might or might not be an issue.
>
> These two are directly related.  They might be friendly and well-meaning
> folks, but I agree that they haven't earned our trust yet.
>
> But I do not think it matters that much.
>
> The thing is, git.or.cz may have been the closest thing to the "official"
> homepage we have had, but that is not because Linus or I or Shawn declared
> the site is official and/or that the site is trustworthy.  It was because
> you put efforts preparing the contents worthy to be one-stop shop for git
> related information, back when there was no such thing.  And the members
> of the comminity found it a good site.  And you have the wiki there, where
> there truly have been community participation to enhance the contents.
>
> For me personally, pages outside the wiki have never felt like "the
> official git homepage", not because the contents you prepared were
> inadequate, but because I did not see much community participation to help
> enrich it.
>
> So I wish the new site success, but the definition of success from my
> point of view is not how many random visitors it will attract, but how
> well the site makes the contributors (both to git software itself, and to
> the site's contents) feel welcomed.  Maybe in time it will become
> successful enough by _my_ definition of success, and I may recommend
> kernel.org folks to point at it from http://git.kernel.org/ (link with
> text "overview") if/when that happens, and I may start mentioning them in
> the "Note".  We'll see.
>
>>   The negatives section writeup is longer, but in fact I think the
>> positives win here; I also have a bit of bad conscience about not giving
>> git.or.cz the amount of time it would deserve...
>
> Let me thank you for maintaining not just git.or.cz/ but also repo.or.cz/
> and the wiki.  I personally never visited the "Homepage" but the
> repositories and the wiki are valuable services you gave back to the
> community.
>
> It's also somewhat interesting to observe that several people I have never
> heard of in the git circle are simultaneously doing new git books,
> apparently never asking for much technical advice from core git people, by
> the way.
>

To be honest, I have asked for a fair amount of technical advice from many helpful people in the IRC channel over the past few years. In my case, one of my best friends - the guy I've been working with for the last 4 years - is Nick Hengeveld, who has something like 50 commits in there - why email the list when I can yell a question over the cube wall? I'm sure you all have more important things to do than review my book for newbies - I asked Nick to do it.

If I could code C worth a lick, I'm sure I would have contributed more to this list, but since I have nothing that I feel would be helpful to you, I've passively followed the list. I'm sorry that you do not consider me a "git community member" just because I don't code C, and so I can't contribute helpfully to core.

However, I have evangelized Git in person to literally thousands of people, and tens of thousands more online. GitHub hosts over 10,000 public git projects completely for free, and has contributed a ton back to the community, both in code and proselytization efforts.

I hope these things can be taken as proof that we are not simply friendly and well meaning, but that we have contributed meaningfully to the adoption of Git and are just as committed to it's improvement and success as nearly anyone on this list.

We want to help - help you with resources, help new people learn git quickly and easily, and help the unconverted see the light. We highly respect you guys and most of the time you don't hear from us because we don't want to bother you and take your time away from improving our favorite tool.

Feel free to contact or email me at any time with questions, or suggestions for improvement - schacon on IRC, schacon at gmail, or thescottchacon on AIM.

Scott
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