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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection

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SCStephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net>
Date
Apr 16, 2008, 12:41 UTC
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david@lang.hm wrote:
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> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, David Newall wrote:
> 
>> Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> Well, even if someone introduces bugs relatively frequently, but then 
>>> also
>>> works with the reporters and fixes the bugs timely, it's about okay IMO.
>>>
>> This really is not okay.  Even if bugs are fixed a version or two later,
>> the impact those bugs have on users makes the system look bad and drives
>> them away.  We do not, I believe, want Linux to top the list for "most
>> bugs".  It's unprofessional, unreliable and quite undesirable.
> 
> timely frequently means the code was merged in -rc1/2 and was fixed 
> before the final release of the same version.
> 
> given the huge variety of hardware and workloads, it's just too easy for 
> there to be cases where any trade-off you make (code size, performance, 
> memory usage, common case definitions) can turn around and bite you. In 
> addition frequently hardware doesn't work quite the way the design specs 
> say that it should (completely ignoring the fact that many drivers are 
> reverse engineered). what's most important is that when a case shows up 
> it gets addressed promptly
> 
> I'd rather have a developer/maintainer who introduces and fixed 100 bug, 
> but fixes them promptly, as opposed to one who only introduces one bug, 
> but refuses to consider fixing the code 'because they don't make 
> mistakes like that' (usadly a common attitude from people who produce 
> very good code much of the time)
> 
> best of all is a developer/maintainer who writes very good code and is 
> willing to accept the fact that they make mistakes and fixes the code 
> promptly, but those people are extremely rare, and usually they emerge 
> from the pool of people who make more mistakes and fix them promptly, 
> which is an added reason I'm more tolerant of that group.
> 
> David Lang
> 

Having been a Linux user since the late 90's the problem I see is that developers decide to re-design stuff that is already working and then things that used to work don't work anymore.

Libata is a good example. I had an older laptop that eventually got working again - but the old ide stuff wasn't studied enough to find out what had to be brought forward and supported in libata.

Regards, Steve

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  26. Willy TarreauApr 15, 2008
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  28. David NewallApr 15, 2008
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  30. David NewallApr 15, 2008
  31. Rafael J. WysockiApr 15, 2008
  32. David NewallApr 16, 2008
  33. david@lang.hmApr 16, 2008
  34. David NewallApr 16, 2008
  35. Andi KleenApr 16, 2008
  36. Stephen ClarkApr 16, 2008
  37. Willy TarreauApr 16, 2008
  38. Rafael J. WysockiApr 16, 2008
  39. Sverre RabbelierApr 16, 2008
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  41. Andrew MortonApr 16, 2008
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  52. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
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  58. Ray LeeApr 17, 2008
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  60. Al ViroApr 17, 2008
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