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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection

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ABAdrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
Date
Apr 14, 2008, 12:08 UTC
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<20080414120821.GA4625@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi>
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On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:04:12AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
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>...
> (And I don't think developers and maintainers _should_ spend time mucking
> in bug-tracking systems.  They should have helpers who do all the
> triaging/tracking/routing/closing work for them, and then provide other
> developers with the results, letting them know what they should be spending
> time on.  But there's a manpower problem).
>...

Speaking as the one who was for a few years going again and again through all open bugs in the kernel Bugzilla:

The manpower problem isn't in handling the bugs in Bugzilla.

I'd claim that even if all bugs in the kernel would be reported in the kernel Bugzilla I alone would be able to do all the handling of incoming bugs, bug forwarding and doing all the cleanup stuff like asking submitters whether a bug is still present in the latest kernel.

The manpower problem is at the developers and maintainers who could actually debug the problems.

One problem are unmaintained areas. Do we have anyone who would debug e.g. APM bugs? And if I want to be really nasty, I'll ask whether we have anyone who understands our floppy driver... ;)

And who would debug problems with old and unmaintained drivers, e.g. some old net or SCSI driver?

Note that I do not blame James or Jeff or whoever else for the latter - they might simply not have the time to spend a day or two for debugging some obscure problem on some obscure hardware.

And it could happen everywhere that maintainers simply don't have the time to cope with all incoming bug reports.

We have many people who write new bugs^Wcode. But too few people who review code. And too few people willing to maintain the existing code.

cu Adrian

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  2. Jakub NarebskiApr 14, 2008
  3. Willy TarreauApr 14, 2008
  4. Al ViroApr 14, 2008
  5. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  6. David MillerApr 14, 2008
  7. David MillerApr 14, 2008
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  10. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  11. David MillerApr 14, 2008
  12. Christoph HellwigApr 14, 2008
  13. Andi KleenApr 14, 2008
  14. Bill FinkApr 15, 2008
  15. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  16. David MillerApr 14, 2008
  17. Roman ShaposhnikApr 14, 2008
  18. Adrian BunkApr 14, 2008
  19. Arjan van de VenApr 14, 2008
  20. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  21. Arjan van de VenApr 14, 2008
  22. Ilpo JärvinenApr 14, 2008
  23. James MorrisApr 14, 2008
  24. David MillerApr 14, 2008
  25. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  26. Willy TarreauApr 15, 2008
  27. Work WAS(Re: Reporting bugs and bisectionjamal, Apr 15, 2008
  28. David NewallApr 15, 2008
  29. Michael KerriskApr 15, 2008
  30. David NewallApr 15, 2008
  31. Rafael J. WysockiApr 15, 2008
  32. David NewallApr 16, 2008
  33. david@lang.hmApr 16, 2008
  34. David NewallApr 16, 2008
  35. Andi KleenApr 16, 2008
  36. Stephen ClarkApr 16, 2008
  37. Willy TarreauApr 16, 2008
  38. Rafael J. WysockiApr 16, 2008
  39. Sverre RabbelierApr 16, 2008
  40. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  41. Andrew MortonApr 16, 2008
  42. Sverre RabbelierApr 16, 2008
  43. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  44. J. Bruce FieldsApr 17, 2008
  45. Adrian BunkApr 17, 2008
  46. Alexey DobriyanApr 16, 2008
  47. Arjan van de VenApr 16, 2008
  48. Sverre RabbelierApr 16, 2008
  49. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  50. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  51. Sverre RabbelierApr 16, 2008
  52. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  53. Willy TarreauApr 16, 2008
  54. Jakub NarebskiApr 16, 2008
  55. Jesper JuhlApr 16, 2008
  56. David NewallApr 17, 2008
  57. Rafael J. WysockiApr 17, 2008
  58. Ray LeeApr 17, 2008
  59. Sverre RabbelierApr 17, 2008
  60. Al ViroApr 17, 2008
  61. Ray LeeApr 17, 2008
  62. Al ViroApr 17, 2008
  63. Ray LeeApr 17, 2008
  64. Rene HermanApr 14, 2008
  65. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  66. Rene HermanApr 14, 2008

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