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Work WAS(Re: Reporting bugs and bisection

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Jjamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
Date
Apr 15, 2008, 13:18 UTC
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On Tue, 2008-15-04 at 06:55 +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> And if Dave speaks about these stats : http://lwn.net/Articles/237768/
> then Al does not even appear in it, which proves your point.

Stats such as those above, while useful, are flawed. IMO James Morris has (probably more than anybody else) hit on the core issue. To extend his view: theres more than just code review that deserves respect. Testing is one. Commenting, not necessarily on code, but on architecture is another. Documenting. Yes, running sparse or even Lindent or checkpatch. In the old/current Linux thinking (pun intended) work equates to churning code. That thought process derives from Linus actually then propagates down stream to other folks. I think the Linus approach is still excellent - but its definition of "work" is no longer valid. Work must include all these other things and visible credit is important if the revolution is to continue.

If you look at it from a software engineering or production resource
management, the Linux development model has gotta be one of the most
inefficient[1] - with a reward system geared to developers mostly.
If you want to look it from an investment of time (ROI perspective),
developers get way too much credit riding on everybody elses back.
Why should Mark Lord report another bug to us?
Put yourself in his shoes:
- he is a clever guy who has already worked around the bug. So a proper
fix is only a convinience for him.
- Blessed as he was - he got to do more and more work after reporting.
- he got slapped for claiming he had to go and get lunch and therefore
didnt have time to do more bisect for a bug that wasnt just unique to
his setup.
- he spent a gazillion electrons responding to people and justifying his
stance
- he got no credit for his time whatsoever when the bug was fixed (he
wont be showing up on lwn list).
I think perspective and credit for peoples time needs to change.

cheers, jamal

[1] With current momentum, theres an infinite resources of developers and testers and documenters in Linux, i.e resource management is only valid as a metric if you had finite resources. So the point i am making is moot - but I do strongly believe the momentum will dampen if current trend of defining work continues.

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  1. david@lang.hmApr 13, 2008
  2. Jakub NarebskiApr 14, 2008
  3. Willy TarreauApr 14, 2008
  4. Al ViroApr 14, 2008
  5. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  6. David MillerApr 14, 2008
  7. David MillerApr 14, 2008
  8. Al ViroApr 14, 2008
  9. Al ViroApr 14, 2008
  10. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  11. David MillerApr 14, 2008
  12. Christoph HellwigApr 14, 2008
  13. Andi KleenApr 14, 2008
  14. Bill FinkApr 15, 2008
  15. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  16. David MillerApr 14, 2008
  17. Roman ShaposhnikApr 14, 2008
  18. Adrian BunkApr 14, 2008
  19. Arjan van de VenApr 14, 2008
  20. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  21. Arjan van de VenApr 14, 2008
  22. Ilpo JärvinenApr 14, 2008
  23. James MorrisApr 14, 2008
  24. David MillerApr 14, 2008
  25. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  26. Willy TarreauApr 15, 2008
  27. Work WAS(Re: Reporting bugs and bisectionjamal, Apr 15, 2008
  28. David NewallApr 15, 2008
  29. Michael KerriskApr 15, 2008
  30. David NewallApr 15, 2008
  31. Rafael J. WysockiApr 15, 2008
  32. David NewallApr 16, 2008
  33. david@lang.hmApr 16, 2008
  34. David NewallApr 16, 2008
  35. Andi KleenApr 16, 2008
  36. Stephen ClarkApr 16, 2008
  37. Willy TarreauApr 16, 2008
  38. Rafael J. WysockiApr 16, 2008
  39. Sverre RabbelierApr 16, 2008
  40. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  41. Andrew MortonApr 16, 2008
  42. Sverre RabbelierApr 16, 2008
  43. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  44. J. Bruce FieldsApr 17, 2008
  45. Adrian BunkApr 17, 2008
  46. Alexey DobriyanApr 16, 2008
  47. Arjan van de VenApr 16, 2008
  48. Sverre RabbelierApr 16, 2008
  49. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  50. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  51. Sverre RabbelierApr 16, 2008
  52. Adrian BunkApr 16, 2008
  53. Willy TarreauApr 16, 2008
  54. Jakub NarebskiApr 16, 2008
  55. Jesper JuhlApr 16, 2008
  56. David NewallApr 17, 2008
  57. Rafael J. WysockiApr 17, 2008
  58. Ray LeeApr 17, 2008
  59. Sverre RabbelierApr 17, 2008
  60. Al ViroApr 17, 2008
  61. Ray LeeApr 17, 2008
  62. Al ViroApr 17, 2008
  63. Ray LeeApr 17, 2008
  64. Rene HermanApr 14, 2008
  65. Andrew MortonApr 14, 2008
  66. Rene HermanApr 14, 2008

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