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Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] t/t3308-notes-merge.sh: succeed with relaxed notes refs

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Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Date
Jan 6, 2015, 18:25 UTC
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"Kyle J. McKay" <mackyle@gmail.com> writes:
> So despite the name of the test, the actual tree contents do not seem
> to be examined.

Yes, but the thing is, thanks to refs/notes restriction, there is no need to do such examination [*1*].

Note that it is an entirely different matter when you deliberately violate the expectation using plumbing (e.g. update-ref). Users of plumbing commands are expected to know what they are doing, so the level of safety we need to give them can be much lower than Porcelain commands such as 'git notes'.

But when you stick to Porcelain commands, it is very hard to mix refs/notes/* with refs/heads/* and refs/remotes/* by mistake. You have to really work on it by doing something unusual to have a non commit in refs/heads/*, a commit in refs/notes/*, or a regular non-note commit in refs/notes/*.

Once you lift the existing restriction, that easy safety goes away, so the burden of giving a reasonable safety in some other way falls on the one who is dropping refs/notes restriction.

That is exactly what I meant by that the existing safety pays price of not being able to store notes outside refs/notes, which may be too high a price to pay.

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>> Although I am not fundamentally against allowing to store notes
>> outside refs/notes/, it is different from "anywhere is fine".
>> Can't we do this widening in a less damaging way?
>
> Without arbitrarily restricting where notes can be stored it seems to
> me the only option would be to have the notes machinery actually
> inspect the tree of any existing notes ref it's passed.

As I said earlier (assuming you read footnotes before you read a new paragraph), the ship has already sailed.

Obvious two sensible ways forward are to do a blacklist (i.e. allow anywhere except for known non-notes namespaces like refs/heads/) or do a whitelist (i.e. allow refs/<some-known-space> in addition to refs/notes) of the namespace, and the latter is vastly preferrable than the former, because you can practically *never* crawl back a namespace once you give it to the general public, even if you later find it a grave error to open it too widely and need a more controlled access [*2*]. And the name of the game for a software that can be relied for a long haul is to avoid painting ourselves in a corner that we cannot get out of.

If we add refs/remote-notes/* to the whitelist now, and if later it turns out to be not so ideal and we would prefer another layout for remotes, e.g. refs/remotesNew/*/{heads,notes,tags}/, we can add refs/remotesNew/*/notes/ to the whitelist _without_ breaking those who have already started using refs/remote-notes/*. That is why I said whitelist is preferrable than blacklist.

[Footnote]
*1* I actually do not think a tree examination would help very much
    here.  IIRC, somebody decided long time ago that it would be a
    good idea to be able to store a path that is not a fanned-out
    40-hex in a notes tree and 'git notes merge' would accept such a
    notes-tree.  Although I doubt that the resulting notes-tree
    produced by 'notes merge' is carefully designed one (as opposed
    to whatever the implementation happens to do) with sensible
    semantics, people may already be relying on it.
*2* The above 'notes-tree can store non fanned-out 40-hex' is a good
    example why you need to start strict and loosen only when it
    becomes necessary.  Despite that even Git itself does not use
    that "facility" to do anything useful AFAIK, only because we
    started with a loose variant that allows arbitrary garbage, we
    cannot retroactively tighten the definition of what a notes-tree
    should look like without risking to break practice of other
    people.
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