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Re: fc/pull-merge-rebase, was Re: What's cooking in git.git (Dec 2020, #01; Tue, 8)

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Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Date
Dec 9, 2020, 21:28 UTC
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Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:
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> Hi Junio,
>
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>
>> * fc/pull-merge-rebase (2020-12-08) 19 commits
>>  - future: pull: enable ff-only mode by default
>>  - pull: advice of future changes
>>  - pull: add pull.mode=ff-only
>>  - pull: add pull.mode
>>  - pull: trivial memory fix
>>  - test: pull-options: revert unnecessary changes
>>  - test: merge-pull-config: trivial cleanup
>>  - pull: move configurations fetches
>>  - rebase: add REBASE_DEFAULT
>>  - pull: show warning with --ff
>>  - pull: introduce --merge option
>>  - pull: trivial whitespace style fix
>>  - pull: display default warning only when non-ff
>>  - pull: move default warning
>>  - pull: trivial cleanup
>>  - pull: cleanup autostash check
>>  - pull: refactor fast-forward check
>>  - pull: improve default warning
>>  - doc: pull: explain what is a fast-forward
>>
>>  When a user does not tell "git pull" to use rebase or merge, the
>>  command gives a loud message telling a user to choose between
>>  rebase or merge but creates a merge anyway, forcing users who would
>>  want to rebase to redo the operation.  Fix this by (1) tightening
>>  the condition to give the message---there is no reason to stop or
>>  force the user to choose between rebase or merge if the history
>>  fast-forwards, and (2) failing the operation when the history does
>>  not fast-forward, instead of making a merge, in such a case.
>
> Despite what the commit message of the tip commit says, it is not "time to
> flip the switch and make ff-only the default" because it breaks our very
> own test suite left and right. See for yourself:

With respect to what is in 'seen' that are not marked as "Will merge to...", I am merely a messenger, and you are shooting one ;-).

I know of these breakages, becuase I've seen them before pushing the integration results out. The first-parent history near the tip of 'seen' looks like so:

    4a386f47a7 Merge branch 'fc/pull-merge-rebase' into seen
    e0b9615ea3 Merge branch 'es/config-hooks' into seen
    addabb0fb7 ### start breaking 5411,5520,4013,5524,6402,5604,...
    0ffeed16ab Merge branch 'sj/untracked-files-in-submodule-dir...

Notice the ### separator? Everything above the line breaks 'seen'. (Emily cc'ed---even though her config-hooks is not on topic of your message, it is above the separator as the result of merging it to 'seen' breaks 5411).

The reason why I am experimenting with this is because I suspect that those who are involved in the topics above the separator would want them in 'seen', as it would be easier to work with, when the breakage may be coming from interactions with other topics, to pinpoint what interaction may be at fault.

But if you and others who are not involved in these topics above the separator want to see 'seen' in a buildable/testable state by excluding them, I am fine with that, too. It is a hassle for me to maintain the two parts of 'seen' the way I pushed out last night. I have to identify which merge of the topics into 'seen' breaks builds/tests, shuffle the order of topics, minimizing the number of topics above the breakage point, and tentatively rewind 'seen' to below the breakage point when building and installing for my own use, etc. It would become unnecessary if I can just discard new topics after seeing builds/tests break in 'seen'.

But that is a digression.
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> Given that not even our very own test suite is well-suited to this change,
> I rather doubt that this is a safe thing to do.
>
> In the _least_, the patch series should put in the effort to show just how
> much work it is to adjust the test suite to let it pass again. This would
> also give an indication how much work we impose on our users by that
> ff-only change in behavior.

I do not doubt the need to make sure that the test suite covers the new use case as well as the need to adjust the existing tests.

Having said that, I have a strong suspicion that the "turn the current warn-but-go-ahead-to-merge into error-out-and-stop for those who haven't chosen between rebase and merge when we see a non-ff situation" this topic aims for *can* be made without causing as much harm to existing users' workflows as these test failures imply. The reason why I say so is because the existing behaviour of loudly warning is so annoying, even with the current behaviour of making a merge after showing the warning, existing users would have made and recorded the choice in pull.rebase long time ago already. Those who want to rebase by default would have had more incentive to avoid the "warn but still go ahead to merge" doing a wrong thing to them, but those who want to merge by default would also have set it, if only to squelch the annoying loud warning.

A spot check: do you have pull.rebase set to anything in your config?

So, if this "default change" is done in such a way so that it won't make any difference to those who have pull.rebase set to either yes or no, I suspect that the fallout would not be as bad as what these test failures imply.

On the other hand, if the implementation in the topic forces everybody (including those who have made the choice by setting pull.rebase) to set another variable before allowing to work with a non-ff pull, it would break everybody and is a disaster.

Thanks.
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  2. Taylor BlauDec 9, 2020
  3. Jonathan TanDec 10, 2020
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  5. Junio C HamanoDec 9, 2020
  6. Taylor BlauDec 9, 2020
  7. Junio C HamanoDec 10, 2020
  8. Jonathan TanDec 10, 2020
  9. fc/pull-merge-rebase, was Re: What's cooking in git.git (Dec 2020, #01; Tue, 8)Johannes Schindelin, Dec 9, 2020
  10. Junio C HamanoDec 9, 2020
  11. Felipe ContrerasDec 10, 2020
  12. Johannes SchindelinDec 10, 2020
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  15. Theodore Y. Ts'oDec 10, 2020
  16. Junio C HamanoDec 10, 2020
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  22. Felipe ContrerasDec 10, 2020
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  24. js/init-defaultbranch-advice, was Re: What's cooking in git.git (Dec 2020, #01; Tue, 8)Johannes Schindelin, Dec 9, 2020
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  29. bc/rev-parse-path-format, was Re: What's cooking in git.git (Dec 2020, #01; Tue, 8)Johannes Schindelin, Dec 10, 2020
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