git/list[1] front-page[2] threads[3] people[4] search[5] about
 

Re: [PATCH] PRItime: wrap PRItime for better l10n compatibility

From
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Date
Jul 22, 2017, 15:48 UTC
Message-ID
<xmqqeft8fp5j.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com>
In-Reply-To
<alpine.DEB.2.21.1.1707221323420.4271@virtualbox>
Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:
Show 20 quoted lines
>> >> A very small hack on gettext.
>
> I am 100% opposed to this hack. It is already cumbersome enough to find
> out what is involved in i18n (it took *me* five minutes to find out that
> much of the information is in po/README, with a lot of information stored
> *on an external site*, and I still managed to miss the `make pot` target).
>
> If at all, we need to make things easier instead of harder.
>
> Requiring potential volunteers to waste their time to compile an
> unnecessary fork of gettext? Not so great an idea.
>
> Plus, each and every Git build would now have to compile their own
> gettext, too, as the vanilla one would not handle the .po files containing
> %<PRItime>!!!
>
> And that requirement would impact instantaneously people like me, and even
> worse: some other packagers might be unaware of the new requirement which
> would not be caught during the build, and neither by the test suite.
> Double bad idea.

If I understand correctly, the patch hacks the input processing of xgettext (which reads our source code and generates po/git.pot) so that when it sees PRItime, pretend that it saw PRIuMAX, causing it to output %<PRIuMAX> in its output.

In our workflow, 
    * The po/git.pot file is updated only by the l10n coordinator,
      and then the result is committed to our tree.
    * Translators build on that commit by (1) running msgmerge which
      takes po/git.pot and wiggles its entries into their existing
      po/$lang.po file so that po/$lang.po file has new entries from
      po/git.pot and (2) editing po/$lang.po file.  The result is
      committed to our tree.
    * The build procedure builders use runs the resulting
      po/$lang.po files through msgfmt to produce po/$lang.mo files,
      which will be installed.

As long as the first step results in %<PRIuMAX> (not %<PRItime> or anything that plain vanilla msgmerge and msgfmt do not understand), the second step and third step do not require any hacked version of gettext tools.

Even though I tend to agree with your conclusion that pre-processing our source before passing it to xgettext is probably a better solution in the longer term, I think the most of the objections in your message come from your misunderstanding of what Jiang's patch does and are not based on facts. My understanding is that translators do not need to compile a custom msgmerge and builders do not need a custom msgfmt.

Previous: Johannes SchindelinNext: Jiang Xin
Message 31 of 45 in “[L10N] Kickoff of translation for Git 2.14.0 round 1”
  1. Jiang XinJul 15, 2017
  2. Jean-Noël AvilaJul 15, 2017
  3. Jiang XinJul 17, 2017
  4. Johannes SchindelinJul 17, 2017
  5. Jiang XinJul 18, 2017
  6. PRItime: wrap PRItime for better l10n compatibilityJiang Xin, Jul 17, 2017
  7. Junio C HamanoJul 17, 2017
  8. Jiang XinJul 18, 2017
  9. Junio C HamanoJul 18, 2017
  10. Jiang XinJul 19, 2017
  11. Johannes SchindelinJul 19, 2017
  12. Junio C HamanoJul 19, 2017
  13. Junio C HamanoJul 19, 2017
  14. Junio C HamanoJul 20, 2017
  15. Junio C HamanoJul 20, 2017
  16. Junio C HamanoJul 20, 2017
  17. Jean-Noël AvilaJul 21, 2017
  18. Junio C HamanoJul 21, 2017
  19. Johannes SchindelinJul 22, 2017
  20. Junio C HamanoJul 22, 2017
  21. Johannes SchindelinJul 25, 2017
  22. Junio C HamanoJul 25, 2017
  23. Jiang XinJul 21, 2017
  24. Junio C HamanoJul 21, 2017
  25. Jiang XinJul 21, 2017
  26. Junio C HamanoJul 21, 2017
  27. Jiang XinJul 22, 2017
  28. Makefile: generate pot file using a tweaked version of xgettextJiang Xin, Jul 22, 2017
  29. Junio C HamanoJul 22, 2017
  30. Johannes SchindelinJul 22, 2017
  31. Junio C HamanoJul 22, 2017
  32. Jiang XinJul 24, 2017
  33. Johannes SchindelinJul 25, 2017
  34. Junio C HamanoJul 25, 2017
  35. Jiang XinJul 24, 2017
  36. Junio C HamanoJul 24, 2017
  37. Johannes SchindelinJul 25, 2017
  38. Jean-Noël AVILAJul 23, 2017
  39. Junio C HamanoJul 23, 2017
  40. Jiang XinJul 24, 2017
  41. Junio C HamanoJul 24, 2017
  42. Kaartic SivaraamJul 22, 2017
  43. Jean-Noël AvilaJul 23, 2017
  44. Jordi MasJul 19, 2017
  45. Jiang XinJul 20, 2017

Read the whole thread, see it on lore, or plain text.

$ cat FOOTERMessages come from the public archive at lore.kernel.org/git, fetched every hour. The front page is chosen and written each morning by an AI editor and can be wrong; the threads themselves are the record. About and API. For agents: an MCP server at https://gitlist.dev/mcp, and any thread, story or person page as Markdown by adding .md to its URL (or sending Accept: text/markdown). Details in /llms.txt.