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Re: [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default

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Matthieu Moy <matthieu.moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Date
Mar 15, 2012, 08:05 UTC
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Dmitry Potapov <dpotapov@gmail.com> writes:
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> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Matthieu Moy
> <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> wrote:
>> Dmitry Potapov <dpotapov@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Not of course. I said above non-fast forward push should not be used by
>>> beginners.
>>
>> Do you mean "beginners should not force non-fast forward push", or
>> "beginners should not use flow where push may be denied because of
>> non-fast forward"?
>
> Of course, the former. I have never said that the centralized workflow
> should never been used. I have only said that it is not scalable and
> lead to problems in larger projects.

Then I don't follow you. The starting point of the discussion was my rule of thumb about push/pull:

| There's a rule of thumb which works very well for beginners: when "git
| push" tells you to pull before, then pull before. This rule of thumb
| works, but only provided "push" and "pull" are symmetrical.

I can rephrase the end as "... provided 'push' pushes to the same branch 'pull' pulls from" (i.e. provided push.default=upstream).

Can you explain what you disagree with here? Or do you actually agree with it?

Then, I showed the message of "git push" in the non-fast forward case, which suggests that the user should pull, and you said:

| I agree that the current diagnostic is not suitable for beginners.

Again, what do you mean? What diagnosis would you suggest, if not pulling?

>> either shared for one user and multiple machines, or shared
>> between developers?
>
> I am not sure that I understood this part.

I mean that a repository can be shared because multiple developers have acces to it, or because the same developer has several clones.

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>> If you mean that shared repositories are too complex for beginners, my
>> experience is exactly the opposite.
>
> It is not too complex but it is wrong for any more or less serious
> project.

I never argued against distributed development. I'm saying that centralized development also makes sense, especially with beginners.

-- 
Matthieu Moy
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/
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