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Re: [PATCH/RFC] builtin-checkout: suggest creating local branch when appropriate to do so

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Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>
Date
Oct 13, 2009, 18:39 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Junio C Hamano wrote:
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> Thomas Rast <trast@student.ethz.ch> writes:
> 
> >> Or can't you go the other way, say
> >> 
> >> 	git checkout -t $remote_tracking
> >> 
> >> to create a local branch forking from the named remote tracking branch?
> >
> > Sure, but we already have that and we still failed to fix the users,
> > so FWIW, I think Dscho's right and we should try fixing the UI next.
> 
> What it means is that -t was a broken attempt to help the users at the UI
> level, and I can surely see that.
> 
> So we need the set of new rules, say, for 1.7.0 release.  A strawman?
> 
> Assume that these are the only refs that exist:
> 
>     refs/remotes/origin/{master,next,nitfol}
>     refs/remotes/xyzzy/{frotz,nitfol}
>     refs/heads/master
>     refs/tags/v1.0.0
> 
> #0. These will stay as is:
> 
>  $ git checkout mine               ;# switches to the branch
>  $ git checkout $any_committish^0  ;# detaches
> 
> #1. These used to detach, but will create a local branch
> 
>  $ git checkout origin/next        ;# as if with -t
>  $ git checkout xyzzy/frotz        ;# as if with -t (origin is not special)
>
> #2. These are allowed only when unambiguous and there is no local branch yet.
> 
>  $ git checkout next               ;# ok
>  $ git checkout frotz              ;# ok (origin is not special)
>  $ git checkout nitfol             ;# not ok (ambiguous and origin is not special)
> 
> #3. These used to detach, but what should we do?
> 
>  $ git checkout v1.0.0             ;# detach, or refuse???
>  $ git checkout origin/master      ;# detach, or refuse???
> 
> I can buy 0, 1, and 2, and I think it is a minor inconvenience if we
> started refusing to detach in case #3, as people who want to detach can
> always suffix ^0 or ~0 to make it a general committish.

I suspect that a very common pattern for people who follow trees for testing and such or who only develop in topic branches is:

$ git clone ... $ git checkout origin/next $ git fetch origin $ git checkout origin/next

For people who use topic branches extensively:

$ git fetch origin $ git checkout origin/next (test, find issues, maybe make changes) $ git checkout -b topic $ git commit (send changes)

Some people (IIRC, including Linus):

$ git checkout origin/next (work) $ git commit $ git checkout -b topic

In all of these cases, the user will get a misleading "next" local branch; in Linus's case, this branch ends up with commits from a topic branch.

For that matter, even the intended user would have problems with your suggestion:

$ git clone ...

$ git checkout origin/next (do some next stuff) $ git checkout origin/master (do some master stuff) $ git checkout origin/next

On the second cycle, either git refuses or does something actively confusing to this user, and the user has to learn the difference between local branches and remote branches on the *second* cycle. IMHO, it's much better to make users learn things at the point when they don't think they know how to use the system, rather than when they think they understand it and are just trying to get things done.

	-Daniel
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  1. builtin-checkout: suggest creating local branch when appropriate to do soJay Soffian, Oct 5, 2009
  2. Sverre RabbelierOct 5, 2009
  3. Johannes SchindelinOct 5, 2009
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  5. Jay SoffianOct 5, 2009
  6. Jay SoffianOct 5, 2009
  7. Johannes SchindelinOct 5, 2009
  8. Jeff KingOct 5, 2009
  9. Thomas RastOct 6, 2009
  10. Johannes SchindelinOct 6, 2009
  11. Junio C HamanoOct 6, 2009
  12. Johannes SchindelinOct 6, 2009
  13. Junio C HamanoOct 6, 2009
  14. Johannes SchindelinOct 6, 2009
  15. Matthieu MoyOct 6, 2009
  16. Mikael MagnussonOct 6, 2009
  17. Johannes SchindelinOct 6, 2009
  18. Junio C HamanoOct 18, 2009
  19. 1/3 check_filename(): make verify_filename() callable without dyingJunio C Hamano, Oct 18, 2009
  20. 2/3 DWIM "git checkout frotz" to "git checkout -b frotz origin/frotz"Junio C Hamano, Oct 18, 2009
  21. Nanako ShiraishiOct 18, 2009
  22. Björn SteinbrinkOct 18, 2009
  23. Nanako ShiraishiOct 18, 2009
  24. Junio C HamanoOct 18, 2009
  25. Björn SteinbrinkOct 19, 2009
  26. 3/3 git checkout --nodwimJunio C Hamano, Oct 18, 2009
  27. Alex RiesenOct 18, 2009
  28. Junio C HamanoOct 18, 2009
  29. Use "--no-" prefix to switch off some of checkout dwimmeryAlex Riesen, Oct 18, 2009
  30. Junio C HamanoOct 18, 2009
  31. Alex RiesenOct 19, 2009
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  33. Junio C HamanoOct 19, 2009
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  35. Junio C HamanoOct 19, 2009
  36. Avery PennarunOct 21, 2009
  37. Nanako ShiraishiOct 21, 2009
  38. Junio C HamanoOct 21, 2009
  39. git checkout --no-guessJunio C Hamano, Oct 21, 2009
  40. Avery PennarunOct 21, 2009
  41. Jay SoffianOct 26, 2009
  42. Avery PennarunOct 26, 2009
  43. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2009
  44. Erik Faye-LundOct 22, 2009
  45. Michael J GruberOct 23, 2009
  46. Junio C HamanoOct 24, 2009
  47. David RoundyOct 24, 2009
  48. Junio C HamanoOct 24, 2009
  49. Johannes SchindelinOct 26, 2009
  50. Avery PennarunOct 26, 2009
  51. Jeff KingOct 26, 2009
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  53. Jeff KingOct 26, 2009
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  55. Jeff KingOct 5, 2009
  56. Eugene SajineOct 6, 2009
  57. Junio C HamanoOct 6, 2009
  58. Johannes SchindelinOct 12, 2009
  59. Björn SteinbrinkOct 12, 2009
  60. Thomas RastOct 12, 2009
  61. Junio C HamanoOct 12, 2009
  62. Thomas RastOct 13, 2009
  63. Junio C HamanoOct 13, 2009
  64. Junio C HamanoOct 13, 2009
  65. Thomas RastOct 13, 2009
  66. Junio C HamanoOct 13, 2009
  67. Johannes SchindelinOct 13, 2009
  68. Junio C HamanoOct 13, 2009
  69. Jeff KingOct 13, 2009
  70. Johannes SchindelinOct 13, 2009
  71. Jay SoffianOct 14, 2009
  72. Junio C HamanoOct 14, 2009
  73. Jay SoffianOct 14, 2009
  74. Junio C HamanoOct 14, 2009
  75. Uri OkrentOct 25, 2009
  76. Jeff KingOct 14, 2009
  77. Thomas RastOct 14, 2009
  78. Jakub NarebskiOct 14, 2009
  79. Johannes SixtOct 13, 2009
  80. Daniel BarkalowOct 13, 2009
  81. Junio C HamanoOct 13, 2009
  82. Daniel BarkalowOct 13, 2009
  83. Jeff KingOct 13, 2009
  84. Junio C HamanoOct 13, 2009
  85. Johannes SchindelinOct 13, 2009
  86. Thomas RastOct 14, 2009
  87. Johannes SchindelinOct 16, 2009
  88. Thomas RastOct 16, 2009
  89. Uri OkrentOct 25, 2009
  90. Junio C HamanoOct 26, 2009
  91. Björn SteinbrinkOct 13, 2009

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