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Re: [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory

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Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
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Sep 22, 2025, 13:01 UTC
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On Fri, Sep 19, 2025 at 02:59:58PM +0100, Phillip Wood wrote:
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> On 15/09/2025 12:22, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
> > Over the last couple of years the appetite for bringing Rust into the
> > codebase has grown significantly across the developer base. Introducing
> > Rust is a major change though and has ramifications for the whole
> > ecosystem:
> > 
> >    - Some platforms have a Rust toolchain available, but have not yet
> >      integrated it into their build infrastructure.
> > 
> >    - Some platforms don't have any support for Rust at all.
> > 
> >    - Some platforms may have to figure out how to fit Rust into their
> >      bootstrapping sequence.
> > 
> > Due to this, and given that Git is a critical piece of infrastructure
> > for the whole industry, we cannot just introduce such a heavyweight
> > dependency without doing our due diligence.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by "doing our due diligence" here. We already
> know that requiring a rust compiler will make it impossible to build git on
> some currently supported platforms. Isn't the purpose of this patch to give
> them notice so they have some time to come up with a plan for either (a)
> accelerating rust support on their platform, or (b) for how maintain the LTS
> branch after the we stop supporting it?

Yeah, I consider having an announcement of our intent out there as being that "due diligence". The scope of breakage may be much bigger than we currently anticipate, and if we eventually see that a significant portion of the ecosystem would break I think we should take a step back and reevaluate.

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> > +1. Initially, with Git 2.52, support for Rust will be auto-detected by Meson and
> > +   disabled in our Makefile so that the project can sort out the initial
> > +   infrastructure.
> > +2. In Git 2.53, both build systems will default-enable support for Rust.
> > +   Consequently, builds will break by default if Rust is not available on the
> > +   build host. The use of Rust can still be explicitly disabled via build
> > +   flags.
> > +3. In Git 3.0, the build options will be removed and support for Rust is
> > +   mandatory.
> > +--
> > ++
> > +You can explicitly ask both Meson and our Makefile-based system to enable Rust
> > +by saying `meson configure -Drust=enabled` and `make WITH_RUST=YesPlease`,
> > +respectively.
> 
> This is helpful but ideally before Git 2.53 we'd make the Makefile and meson
> print that information if they fail due to a missing rust compiler.

The intent here is to allow us a bit of time to iterate on the build infra before making either of the build systems error out. Ezekiel has a bunch of follow-ups that we'll want to land to also unblock support on Windows and to implement things we don't yet have, like Rust-accessible C bindings.

Is there any particular reason why you want to accelerate this timeline and make the build systems error out right from the start?

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> > +The Git project will declare the last version before Git 3.0 to be a long-term
> > +support release. This long-term release will receive important bug fixes for at
> > +least four release cycles and security fixes for six release cycles. The Git
> > +project will hand over maintainership of the long-term release to distributors
> > +in case they need to extend the life of that long-term release even further. In
> > +that case, the backporting process will be handled by these distributors, but
> > +the backported patches will be reviewed on the mailing list and pulled in by the
> > +Git maintainer.
> 
> Didn't Junio have some qualms about the last part of this paragraph? I
> thought he suggested that once we hand over maintaining the LTS release the
> people responsible for it could use the security list to coordinate their
> work and would be responsible for pushing fixes the the LTS branch
> themselves.
> 
> Thanks for working on this, it will be good to have a formal plan in our
> Documentation that we can refer to.

Yeah, I addressed that feedback in [1]. Junio didn't reply to that part yet, and I didn't have any idea for how to improve that part. I'm happy to do so though if this still feels problematic to anyone.

Patrick
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  27. 0/7 Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatortyPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 5, 2025
  28. 1/7 meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust libraryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 5, 2025
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  30. Patrick SteinhardtSep 8, 2025
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  41. brian m. carlsonSep 5, 2025
  42. Elijah NewrenSep 7, 2025
  43. 4/7 rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystemPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 5, 2025
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  46. brian m. carlsonSep 5, 2025
  47. 5/7 BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatoryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 5, 2025
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  58. 6/7 ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changesPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 5, 2025
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  90. 6/8 BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatoryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 8, 2025
  91. 7/8 ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changesPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 8, 2025
  92. 8/8 ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobsPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 8, 2025
  93. Kristoffer HaugsbakkSep 8, 2025
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  95. 1/9 meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust libraryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 10, 2025
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  101. 3/9 Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust libraryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 10, 2025
  102. 4/9 help: report on whether or not Rust is enabledPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 10, 2025
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  165. 1/9 meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust libraryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 23, 2025
  166. 2/9 Makefile: reorder sources after includesPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 23, 2025
  167. 3/9 Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust libraryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 23, 2025
  168. 4/9 help: report on whether or not Rust is enabledPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 23, 2025
  169. 5/9 varint: use explicit width for integersPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 23, 2025
  170. 6/9 varint: reimplement as test balloon for RustPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 23, 2025
  171. 7/9 BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatoryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 23, 2025
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  175. 8/9 ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changesPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 23, 2025
  176. 9/9 ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobsPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 23, 2025
  177. Ezekiel NewrenSep 23, 2025
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  180. 0/9 Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatoryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 25, 2025
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  182. 2/9 Makefile: reorder sources after includesPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 25, 2025
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  184. 3/9 Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust libraryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 25, 2025
  185. 4/9 help: report on whether or not Rust is enabledPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 25, 2025
  186. 5/9 varint: use explicit width for integersPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 25, 2025
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  190. 6/9 varint: reimplement as test balloon for RustPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 25, 2025
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  193. 7/9 BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatoryPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 25, 2025
  194. 8/9 ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changesPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 25, 2025
  195. 9/9 ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobsPatrick Steinhardt, Sep 25, 2025
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  198. 0/9 Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatoryPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  199. 1/9 meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust libraryPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  200. 2/9 Makefile: reorder sources after includesPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  201. 3/9 Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust libraryPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  202. 4/9 help: report on whether or not Rust is enabledPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  203. 5/9 varint: use explicit width for integersPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  204. 6/9 varint: reimplement as test balloon for RustPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  205. 7/9 BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatoryPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  206. 8/9 ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changesPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  207. 9/9 ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobsPatrick Steinhardt, Oct 2, 2025
  208. Junio C HamanoOct 2, 2025
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