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Re: [Summit topic] Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc)

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Son Luong Ngoc <sluongng@gmail.com>
Date
Oct 21, 2021, 12:55 UTC
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Hi,

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 1:57 PM Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> wrote:

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> This session was led by Johannes "Dscho" Schindelin. Supporting cast:
> brian "Bmc" carlson, Jeff "Peff" King, Taylor Blau, CB Bailey, Ævar
> Arnfjörð "Avarab" Bjarmason, Jonathan "Jrnieder" Nieder, Derrick Stolee,
> Lessley Dennington, Glen Choo, Philip Oakley, Victoria Dye, and Jonathan
> "Jonathantanmy" Tan.
>
> Notes:
>
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>  5.  Git the community is still overwhelmingly male, white - what can we do?
>
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>  19. Stolee: When we moved from MS to GH, we received quick feedback that we
>      weren’t communicating well - too direct and unemotional. Maybe Git
>      community communicates that way, but that’s not how most people interact;
>      that makes me think that our “efficient and effective” communication is
>      actually too aggressive, and easily interpreted as attacks on
>      contributors. Basically… let’s all lighten up? :)
>
>  20. Taylor: Yep, my “talking to GitHubbers at GitHub” voice is different from
>      my “talking to Gitters on Git list” voice. New contributors, are we on the
>      right track here?
>
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>  34. Avarab: I think it’s a good thing to work on; we need to be really careful
>      about what guidelines we pick and choose. Need to ensure an easy path for
>      new contributors so they don’t need to read hours of documentation for a
>      typo fix. Plus we need to ensure that this doc is accessible for folks who
>      have different first language than English.
>
>  35. Bmc: on git-lfs we have a contributor with very little English, so when we
>      did the review I’d offer an alternative text, and we would work together.
>      That process was useful to come up with readable documentation in a
>      helpful way. That is, proposing a solution instead of pointing out the
>      problem and saying “fix it” can help a lot in scenarios like this.
>
>  36. Dscho: Yep, this is important and will help us be more accessible to
>      contributors whose English is not super top notch Cambridge exam :)
Yes, thanks for mentioning the non-English speaking community.

I have been an avid reader of the Git Mailing List for the past years and can't help but notice contributions from folks working in Alibaba(China) have been taking a lot more iterations to get to final reviews than usual contributions.

I would recommend, on top of having a guideline document, to have a Valve check (1) setup as a commit-msg hook and run it as part of GitGitGadget CI to help folks shorten the feedback loops in some basic cases.

Cheers, Son Luong.

(1): https://docs.errata.ai/vale/styles
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Message 31 of 58 in “Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20”
  1. Johannes SchindelinOct 21, 2021
  2. [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideasJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  3. Son Luong NgocOct 21, 2021
  4. scripting speedups [was: [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas]Eric Wong, Oct 26, 2021
  5. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 30, 2021
  6. test suite speedups via some not-so-crazy ideas (was: scripting speedups[...])Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Nov 3, 2021
  7. Junio C HamanoNov 3, 2021
  8. Johannes SchindelinNov 2, 2021
  9. [Summit topic] SHA-256 UpdatesJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  10. [Summit topic] Server-side merge/rebase: needs and wants?Johannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  11. Bagas SanjayaOct 22, 2021
  12. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  13. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 23, 2021
  14. Taylor BlauNov 8, 2021
  15. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonNov 9, 2021
  16. Christian CouderNov 30, 2021
  17. [Summit topic] Submodules and how to make them worth usingJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  18. [Summit topic] Sparse checkout behavior and plansJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  19. [Summit topic] The state of getting a reftable backend working in git.gitJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  20. Han-Wen NienhuysOct 25, 2021
  21. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 25, 2021
  22. Han-Wen NienhuysOct 26, 2021
  23. Philip OakleyOct 28, 2021
  24. Philip OakleyOct 26, 2021
  25. [Summit topic] Documentation (translations, FAQ updates, new user-focused, general improvements, etc.)Johannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  26. Jean-Noël AvilaOct 22, 2021
  27. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 22, 2021
  28. Jean-Noël AvilaOct 27, 2021
  29. Jeff KingOct 27, 2021
  30. [Summit topic] Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc)Johannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  31. Son Luong NgocOct 21, 2021
  32. vale check, was Re: [Summit topic] Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc)Johannes Schindelin, Oct 22, 2021
  33. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  34. [Summit topic] Improving Git UXJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  35. changing the experimental 'git switch' (was: [Summit topic] Improving Git UX)Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Oct 21, 2021
  36. Junio C HamanoOct 21, 2021
  37. Bagas SanjayaOct 22, 2021
  38. martinOct 22, 2021
  39. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 22, 2021
  40. Sergey OrganovOct 22, 2021
  41. martinOct 22, 2021
  42. Sergey OrganovOct 23, 2021
  43. MartinOct 24, 2021
  44. Junio C HamanoOct 24, 2021
  45. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 25, 2021
  46. Junio C HamanoOct 25, 2021
  47. Sergey OrganovOct 25, 2021
  48. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 25, 2021
  49. Sergey OrganovOct 27, 2021
  50. [Summit topic] Improving reviewer quality of life (patchwork, subsystem lists?, etc)Johannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  51. Konstantin RyabitsevOct 21, 2021
  52. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 22, 2021
  53. Missing notes, was Re: Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20Johannes Schindelin, Oct 22, 2021
  54. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  55. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  56. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  57. Let's have public Git chalk talks, was Re: Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20Johannes Schindelin, Oct 22, 2021
  58. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 25, 2021

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