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Re: [Summit topic] Improving reviewer quality of life (patchwork, subsystem lists?, etc)

From
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com>
Date
Oct 22, 2021, 22:06 UTC
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<211023.861r4ck8jw.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 21 2021, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:
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> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 01:57:11PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
>>  2. Dscho said he’s not able to follow everything on the mailing list
>> 
>>     1. if you have just one patch you send, reply-all works okay
>> 
>>     2. mailing list works reasonably well if you’re someone like Junio, working
>>        on it full time, has good mail filters, keeps up to date with everything
>> 
>>     3. If you’re in-between, does not work well
>
> This is a problem that's not actually unique to mailing lists. If you have any
> project that is popular enough, at some point it reaches critical mass where
> developer/user feedback becomes too much for anyone to keep up. Github
> projects aren't immune to this either, but they do have a benefit of providing
> an easy interface for someone to apply categorization to issues/discussions.

I'd like to use this mail as a good jump-off point to link to my "how" v.s. "what" E-Mail from when this was last discussed. I think I mentioned it in passing at the recent summit:

https://lore.kernel.org/git/87fszd3xo0.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com/
Especially as...
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>>     13. Junio: Not really. The extra tracking conversations are not as
>>         important to me. I think it’s a feature that if someone requests a
>>         feature and nothing happens for a while that it no longer produces
>>         overhead for people is a useful feature. That kind of old filtering
>>         feature is sometimes valuable.
>
> I find that if there's no mailing list integration, then bugzilla generally
> rots after the initial person getting the bug reports moves on. Then bugs
> reported via bugzilla just sit there without anyone paying attention. At least
> when bug reports get sent to the list, the ensuing discussions get reflected
> in both the list archives and in bugzilla.

...it makes a passive mention to this "forgetting as a feature" aspect of not having a bug tracker.

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>
>>     16. I’m also happy to work with kernel.org admins to get this set up for us
>>         if that’s what we want
>
> Consider this part done. :)
And thank you for your contribution to kernel.org infrastructure.
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Message 52 of 58 in “Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20”
  1. Johannes SchindelinOct 21, 2021
  2. [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideasJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  3. Son Luong NgocOct 21, 2021
  4. scripting speedups [was: [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas]Eric Wong, Oct 26, 2021
  5. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 30, 2021
  6. test suite speedups via some not-so-crazy ideas (was: scripting speedups[...])Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Nov 3, 2021
  7. Junio C HamanoNov 3, 2021
  8. Johannes SchindelinNov 2, 2021
  9. [Summit topic] SHA-256 UpdatesJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  10. [Summit topic] Server-side merge/rebase: needs and wants?Johannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  11. Bagas SanjayaOct 22, 2021
  12. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  13. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 23, 2021
  14. Taylor BlauNov 8, 2021
  15. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonNov 9, 2021
  16. Christian CouderNov 30, 2021
  17. [Summit topic] Submodules and how to make them worth usingJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  18. [Summit topic] Sparse checkout behavior and plansJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  19. [Summit topic] The state of getting a reftable backend working in git.gitJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  20. Han-Wen NienhuysOct 25, 2021
  21. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 25, 2021
  22. Han-Wen NienhuysOct 26, 2021
  23. Philip OakleyOct 28, 2021
  24. Philip OakleyOct 26, 2021
  25. [Summit topic] Documentation (translations, FAQ updates, new user-focused, general improvements, etc.)Johannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  26. Jean-Noël AvilaOct 22, 2021
  27. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 22, 2021
  28. Jean-Noël AvilaOct 27, 2021
  29. Jeff KingOct 27, 2021
  30. [Summit topic] Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc)Johannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  31. Son Luong NgocOct 21, 2021
  32. vale check, was Re: [Summit topic] Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc)Johannes Schindelin, Oct 22, 2021
  33. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  34. [Summit topic] Improving Git UXJohannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  35. changing the experimental 'git switch' (was: [Summit topic] Improving Git UX)Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Oct 21, 2021
  36. Junio C HamanoOct 21, 2021
  37. Bagas SanjayaOct 22, 2021
  38. martinOct 22, 2021
  39. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 22, 2021
  40. Sergey OrganovOct 22, 2021
  41. martinOct 22, 2021
  42. Sergey OrganovOct 23, 2021
  43. MartinOct 24, 2021
  44. Junio C HamanoOct 24, 2021
  45. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 25, 2021
  46. Junio C HamanoOct 25, 2021
  47. Sergey OrganovOct 25, 2021
  48. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 25, 2021
  49. Sergey OrganovOct 27, 2021
  50. [Summit topic] Improving reviewer quality of life (patchwork, subsystem lists?, etc)Johannes Schindelin, Oct 21, 2021
  51. Konstantin RyabitsevOct 21, 2021
  52. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 22, 2021
  53. Missing notes, was Re: Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20Johannes Schindelin, Oct 22, 2021
  54. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  55. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  56. Johannes SchindelinOct 22, 2021
  57. Let's have public Git chalk talks, was Re: Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20Johannes Schindelin, Oct 22, 2021
  58. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonOct 25, 2021

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