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Re: SHA1 collisions found

From
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Date
Feb 23, 2017, 18:40 UTC
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Joey Hess <id@joeyh.name> wrote:
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> Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> What you describe pretty much already requires a pre-image attack,
>> which the new attack is _not_.
>>
>> It's not clear that the "good" object can be anything sane.
>
> Generate a regular commit object; use the entire commit object + NUL as the
> chosen prefix, and use the identical-prefix collision attack to generate
> the colliding good/bad objects.

So I agree with you that we need to make git check for the opaque data. I think I was the one who brought that whole argument up.

But even then, what you describe doesn't work. What you describe just replaces the opaque data - that git doesn't actually *use*, and that nobody sees - with another piece of opaque data.

You also need to make the non-opaque data of the bad object be something that actually encodes valid git data with interesting hashes in it (for the parent/tree/whatever pointers).

So you don't have just that "chosen prefix". You actually need to also fill in some very specific piece of data *in* the attack parts itself. And you need to do this in the exact same size (because that's part of the prefix), etc etc.

So I think it's challenging.
... and then we can discover it trivially.

Ok, so "git fsck" right now takes a couple of minutes for me and I don't actually run it very often (I used to run it religiously back in the days), but afaik kernel.org actually runs it nightly. So it's pretty much "trivially discoverable" - imagine spending thousands of CPU-hours and lots of social capital to get an attack in, and then the next night the kernel.org fsck complains about the strange commit you added?

                  Linus
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  1. Joey HessFeb 23, 2017
  2. Junio C HamanoFeb 23, 2017
  3. Junio C HamanoFeb 23, 2017
  4. David LangFeb 23, 2017
  5. Jakub NarębskiFeb 23, 2017
  6. Jeff KingFeb 23, 2017
  7. Joey HessFeb 23, 2017
  8. Linus TorvaldsFeb 23, 2017
  9. Joey HessFeb 23, 2017
  10. Linus TorvaldsFeb 23, 2017
  11. Jeff KingFeb 23, 2017
  12. Linus TorvaldsFeb 23, 2017
  13. Jeff KingFeb 23, 2017
  14. Linus TorvaldsFeb 23, 2017
  15. Jeff KingFeb 23, 2017
  16. Øyvind A. HolmFeb 23, 2017
  17. Joey HessFeb 23, 2017
  18. Joey HessFeb 23, 2017
  19. Morten WelinderFeb 23, 2017
  20. Geert UytterhoevenFeb 24, 2017
  21. Jeff KingFeb 23, 2017
  22. David LangFeb 23, 2017
  23. David LangFeb 23, 2017
  24. David LangFeb 23, 2017
  25. Linus TorvaldsFeb 23, 2017
  26. Linus TorvaldsFeb 23, 2017
  27. Joey HessFeb 23, 2017
  28. Linus TorvaldsFeb 23, 2017
  29. Junio C HamanoFeb 23, 2017
  30. Duy NguyenFeb 24, 2017
  31. brian m. carlsonFeb 25, 2017
  32. René ScharfeFeb 27, 2017
  33. brian m. carlsonFeb 28, 2017
  34. Ian JacksonFeb 24, 2017
  35. ankostisFeb 24, 2017
  36. Junio C HamanoFeb 24, 2017
  37. David LangFeb 24, 2017
  38. Junio C HamanoFeb 24, 2017
  39. Stefan BellerFeb 24, 2017
  40. Junio C HamanoFeb 24, 2017
  41. Junio C HamanoFeb 24, 2017
  42. ankostisFeb 24, 2017
  43. Junio C HamanoFeb 24, 2017
  44. ankostisFeb 25, 2017
  45. Jason CooperFeb 26, 2017
  46. brian m. carlsonFeb 26, 2017
  47. Linus TorvaldsFeb 26, 2017
  48. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonFeb 26, 2017
  49. Jeff KingFeb 26, 2017
  50. Transition plan for git to move to a new hash functionIan Jackson, Feb 27, 2017
  51. Markus TrippelsdorfFeb 27, 2017
  52. Ian JacksonFeb 27, 2017
  53. Tony FinchFeb 27, 2017
  54. brian m. carlsonFeb 28, 2017
  55. Ian JacksonMar 2, 2017
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  57. Ian JacksonMar 5, 2017
  58. brian m. carlsonMar 5, 2017
  59. Philip OakleyFeb 24, 2017
  60. Jeff KingFeb 24, 2017
  61. Linus TorvaldsFeb 25, 2017
  62. Linus TorvaldsFeb 25, 2017
  63. Jeff KingFeb 25, 2017
  64. Junio C HamanoFeb 26, 2017
  65. Junio C HamanoFeb 25, 2017
  66. Jason CooperFeb 26, 2017
  67. Jeff KingFeb 26, 2017
  68. brian m. carlsonFeb 26, 2017
  69. Brandon WilliamsMar 2, 2017
  70. Jeff KingMar 3, 2017
  71. Ian JacksonMar 3, 2017
  72. Jeff KingMar 3, 2017
  73. Linus TorvaldsMar 2, 2017
  74. Junio C HamanoMar 2, 2017
  75. Linus TorvaldsMar 2, 2017
  76. Joey HessMar 2, 2017
  77. Linus TorvaldsMar 2, 2017
  78. Mike HommeyMar 3, 2017
  79. Linus TorvaldsMar 3, 2017
  80. Jeff KingMar 3, 2017
  81. Stefan BellerMar 3, 2017
  82. David LangFeb 25, 2017
  83. Stefan BellerFeb 25, 2017
  84. Jeff KingFeb 25, 2017
  85. David LangFeb 25, 2017
  86. Jeff KingFeb 25, 2017
  87. David LangFeb 25, 2017
  88. Jacob KellerFeb 25, 2017
  89. Jacob KellerFeb 25, 2017
  90. grarpampFeb 25, 2017
  91. Ian JacksonFeb 24, 2017
  92. Ian JacksonFeb 25, 2017
  93. brian m. carlsonFeb 25, 2017
  94. Jeff KingFeb 25, 2017
  95. Mike HommeyFeb 25, 2017
  96. brian m. carlsonFeb 26, 2017
  97. Jason CooperFeb 24, 2017
  98. ankostisFeb 25, 2017
  99. Jakub NarębskiFeb 24, 2017
  100. Santiago TorresFeb 24, 2017
  101. Jakub NarębskiFeb 24, 2017
  102. Øyvind A. HolmFeb 24, 2017
  103. Jeff KingFeb 24, 2017
  104. Jakub NarębskiFeb 24, 2017
  105. Lars SchneiderFeb 25, 2017
  106. Jeff KingFeb 26, 2017
  107. Junio C HamanoFeb 26, 2017
  108. Thomas BraunFeb 26, 2017
  109. Jeff KingFeb 26, 2017
  110. Geert UytterhoevenFeb 27, 2017
  111. Jeff KingFeb 27, 2017
  112. Morten WelinderFeb 27, 2017
  113. Jeff KingFeb 23, 2017
  114. Linus TorvaldsFeb 23, 2017
  115. Jeff KingFeb 23, 2017
  116. 1/3 add collision-detecting sha1 implementationJeff King, Feb 23, 2017
  117. Stefan BellerFeb 23, 2017
  118. Jeff KingFeb 24, 2017
  119. Linus TorvaldsFeb 24, 2017
  120. Jeff KingFeb 24, 2017
  121. 2/3 sha1dc: adjust header includes for gitJeff King, Feb 23, 2017
  122. 3/3 Makefile: add USE_SHA1DC knobJeff King, Feb 23, 2017
  123. HW42Feb 24, 2017
  124. Jeff KingFeb 24, 2017
  125. Linus TorvaldsFeb 23, 2017
  126. Junio C HamanoFeb 28, 2017
  127. Junio C HamanoFeb 28, 2017
  128. Jeff KingFeb 28, 2017
  129. Dan ShumowMar 1, 2017
  130. Linus TorvaldsFeb 28, 2017
  131. Shawn PearceFeb 28, 2017
  132. Linus TorvaldsFeb 28, 2017
  133. Dan ShumowFeb 28, 2017
  134. Marc StevensFeb 28, 2017
  135. Linus TorvaldsFeb 28, 2017
  136. Jeff KingMar 1, 2017

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