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Re: Pull is Mostly Evil

From
Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.org>
Date
May 2, 2014, 22:12 UTC
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From: "Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 4:37 PM
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> (Apologies for not CCing all the folks who've participated in the 
> "Pull is
> Evil" thread -- I couldn't find a good branch of that thread for this 
> message.)
>
> OK, so maybe "git pull" is just Mostly Evil.  People seem to have 
> found many
> different ways to make it work for them.
>
> But in reality "git pull" has become a chimera that confuses a large 
> number
> of new users, and that experienced users either avoid entirely or 
> customize
> to give them a convenient shorthand for working in their particular
> environment.  As a tool for new git users, it just doesn't seem to be
> achieving its goals.
>
> I think the git project as a whole would benefit if it started to 
> treat "git
> pull" as an advanced command, in the sense that it needs to be 
> configured by
> an experienced user in order to make it correctly follow a project's
> workflow.  Once it's configured properly, "git pull" is a powerful 
> tool that
> gives users an easy way to do complex things.  In that sense, it may 
> be
> appropriate for a project to tailor "git pull" as it likes, then teach 
> its
> own users to use the command.
>
> However, when it comes to teaching people how to use git qua git, "git 
> pull"
> should be the last thing they learn about, because it's only after you
> understand various basic git concepts that you can configure "git 
> pull" to do
> the right thing.
>
> To that end, I suggest that pull's default behaviour should be to do
> *nothing*.  It should just print out a message to the effect that it 
> hasn't
> been configured, and that the user should run "git help pull" for 
> guidance.
>

I tend to agree. The hard part is making sure folk have enough prior learning to make a choice that their will fit their real needs.

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> It'll take quite a bit of time, but I think that if we change our 
> attitude
> towards "git pull" and take this unconfigured-by-default approach, 
> then in a
> few years the entire git ecosystem will be in a better place.
>
> M.
> --
Philip
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  1. Marc BranchaudMay 2, 2014
  2. David KastrupMay 2, 2014
  3. Philip OakleyMay 2, 2014
  4. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  5. Philip OakleyMay 2, 2014
  6. Jonathan NiederMay 2, 2014
  7. Philip OakleyMay 3, 2014
  8. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  9. Philip OakleyMay 3, 2014
  10. Felipe ContrerasMay 3, 2014
  11. David LangMay 2, 2014
  12. David KastrupMay 2, 2014
  13. Junio C HamanoMay 2, 2014
  14. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  15. Junio C HamanoMay 2, 2014
  16. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  17. Jeff KingMay 2, 2014
  18. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  19. Jeff KingMay 2, 2014
  20. Felipe ContrerasMay 2, 2014
  21. David KastrupMay 3, 2014
  22. Junio C HamanoMay 6, 2014
  23. Felipe ContrerasMay 6, 2014
  24. Richard HansenMay 3, 2014
  25. David KastrupMay 3, 2014
  26. Felipe ContrerasMay 3, 2014
  27. David KastrupMay 3, 2014
  28. David LangMay 4, 2014
  29. Felipe ContrerasMay 4, 2014
  30. David KastrupMay 4, 2014
  31. James DenholmMay 4, 2014
  32. David KastrupMay 4, 2014
  33. Felipe ContrerasMay 4, 2014
  34. James DenholmMay 4, 2014
  35. David KastrupMay 4, 2014
  36. Felipe ContrerasMay 3, 2014
  37. Richard HansenMay 3, 2014
  38. Felipe ContrerasMay 4, 2014
  39. Richard HansenMay 4, 2014
  40. Felipe ContrerasMay 4, 2014
  41. Richard HansenMay 4, 2014
  42. Felipe ContrerasMay 4, 2014
  43. Richard HansenMay 5, 2014
  44. Felipe ContrerasMay 5, 2014
  45. Max KirillovMay 7, 2014
  46. John SzakmeisterMay 3, 2014
  47. Richard HansenMay 5, 2014
  48. Felipe ContrerasMay 5, 2014
  49. Philip OakleyMay 2, 2014
  50. Marc BranchaudMay 9, 2014

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