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RE: [PATCH v2 1/3] usability: don't ask questions if no reply is required

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KRKerry, Richard <richard.kerry@atos.net>
Date
May 11, 2017, 10:10 UTC
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Some more grammar/usage notes .....
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:git-owner@vger.kernel.org] On
> Behalf Of Junio C Hamano
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 4:16 AM
> To: Jean-Noel Avila <jn.avila@free.fr>
> Cc: git@vger.kernel.org; rashmipai36@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] usability: don't ask questions if no reply is
> required
>
> Jean-Noel Avila <jn.avila@free.fr> writes:
>
> > diff --git a/builtin/am.c b/builtin/am.c index a95dd8b4e..f5afa438d
> > 100644
> > --- a/builtin/am.c
> > +++ b/builtin/am.c
> > @@ -1312,7 +1312,7 @@ static int parse_mail(struct am_state *state, const
> char *mail)
> >     }
> >
> >     if (is_empty_file(am_path(state, "patch"))) {
> > -           printf_ln(_("Patch is empty. Was it split wrong?"));
> > +           printf_ln(_("Patch is empty. It may have been split wrong."));
> >             die_user_resolve(state);
> >     }
>
> While I do not belong to "we should feel free to ask rhetorical questions"
> camp, I do not mind this particular rewrite.  An obvious alternative is just to
> stop the sentence with "Patch is empty."
>
> At this point in the code, we do not even know why we are seeing an empty
> patch, and "perhaps it was incorrectly split" is not a particularly useful idle
> speculation that would help the user who sees it.

s/split wrong/split wrongly/ Though the further discussion suggests that part of the phrase might best be removed entirely.

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> > @@ -1940,7 +1940,7 @@ static void am_resolve(struct am_state *state)
> >
> >     if (unmerged_cache()) {
> >             printf_ln(_("You still have unmerged paths in your index.\n"
> > -                   "Did you forget to use 'git add'?"));
> > +                   "You might want to use 'git add' on them."));
>
> This case is *not* an "rhetorical question is the most succinct way to convey
> the information" situation; I think this rewrite is a definite improvement.
> "You might want to 'git add' them" may be more succinct, though.

"You might want to use 'git add' on them." It isn't about what you *want* to use, it's what you *need* to use, isn't it? And I'm not happy about "on them". I'm not sure quite why, but the phrasing seems odd. How about "You might need to use 'git add'.", or "You might need to use 'git add' first.", or "'git add' needs to be used to add files." , or "'git add' needs to be used before any other git command may be used.".

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> > diff --git a/builtin/checkout.c b/builtin/checkout.c index
> > bfa5419f3..05037b9b6 100644
> > --- a/builtin/checkout.c
> > +++ b/builtin/checkout.c
> > @@ -1287,7 +1287,7 @@ int cmd_checkout(int argc, const char **argv,
> const char *prefix)
> >              */
> >             if (opts.new_branch && argc == 1)
> >                     die(_("Cannot update paths and switch to branch '%s'
> at the same time.\n"
> > -                         "Did you intend to checkout '%s' which can not be
> resolved as commit?"),
> > +                         "'%s' can not be resolved as commit, but it
> should."),
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> I am not sure a firm statement "but it should" is an improvement.
> This message is given when the user says:
>
>     $ git checkout -b newone naster
>
> And "but it should" is appropriate when it is a mistyped "I want to create and
> checkout 'newone' branch at the same commit as 'master'
> branch", i.e.
>
>     $ git checkout -b newone master
>
> The reason why the message begins with "Cannot update paths and ..."
> is because it could be a mistyped "I want to grab the file 'naster'
> out of 'newone' branch", i.e. the user meant to say this:
>
>     $ git checkout newone naster
>
> IOW, the current error message is hedging its bets, because it does not want
> to exclude the possibility that "-b" is there by mistake (as opposed to 'naster'
> is the typo).
>
> If we ignore that possibility and assume that 'naster' is the typo (iow, the
> user did mean "-b"), then your updated message makes sense.  But if we
> commit to "the user meant -b", we could make the message even more
> helpful by being more direct, e.g.
>
>       die("'%s' is not a commit and a branch '%s' cannot be created from
> it",
>           argv[0], opts.new_branch);

"'%s' can not be resolved as commit, but it should." It should what ? Be resolved, or commit? Or something else? The further comments above suggest that it might even be just "'%s' can not be resolved."

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> > diff --git a/help.c b/help.c
> > index bc6cd19cf..4658a55c6 100644
> > --- a/help.c
> > +++ b/help.c
> > @@ -411,8 +411,8 @@ const char *help_unknown_cmd(const char *cmd)
> >
> >     if (SIMILAR_ENOUGH(best_similarity)) {
> >             fprintf_ln(stderr,
> > -                      Q_("\nDid you mean this?",
> > -                         "\nDid you mean one of these?",
> > +                      Q_("\nThe most approaching command is",
> > +                         "\nThe most approaching commands are",
> >                        n));
>
> With "closest" or "most similar", as others pointed out, I think this may be an
> improvement.
>
> Thanks.

Richard Kerry BNCS Engineer, SI SOL Telco & Media Vertical Practice

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Message 26 of 41 in “usability: don't ask questions if no reply is required”
  1. 1/4 usability: don't ask questions if no reply is requiredJean-Noel Avila, May 3, 2017
  2. 2/4 usability: fix am and checkout for nevermind questionsJean-Noel Avila, May 3, 2017
  3. Jonathan NiederMay 3, 2017
  4. Jean-Noël AVILAMay 3, 2017
  5. 3/4 read-tree.c: rework UI when merging no treesJean-Noel Avila, May 3, 2017
  6. Jonathan NiederMay 3, 2017
  7. Jean-Noël AVILAMay 3, 2017
  8. 4/4 git-filter-branch: be assertative on dying messageJean-Noel Avila, May 3, 2017
  9. Jonathan NiederMay 3, 2017
  10. Jonathan NiederMay 3, 2017
  11. Stefan BellerMay 3, 2017
  12. Jean-Noël AVILAMay 3, 2017
  13. 1/3 usability: don't ask questions if no reply is requiredJean-Noel Avila, May 3, 2017
  14. 2/3 read-tree -m: make error message for merging 0 trees less smart aleckJean-Noel Avila, May 3, 2017
  15. Junio C HamanoMay 11, 2017
  16. read-tree: "read-tree -m --empty" does not make senseJunio C Hamano, May 11, 2017
  17. 3/3 git-filter-branch: make the error msg when missing branch more openJean-Noel Avila, May 3, 2017
  18. Junio C HamanoMay 11, 2017
  19. Kerry, RichardMay 4, 2017
  20. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonMay 4, 2017
  21. Kerry, RichardMay 4, 2017
  22. Jean-Noël AVILAMay 9, 2017
  23. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonMay 9, 2017
  24. Jean-Noël AVILAMay 4, 2017
  25. Junio C HamanoMay 11, 2017
  26. Kerry, RichardMay 11, 2017
  27. Konstantin KhomoutovMay 11, 2017
  28. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonMay 11, 2017
  29. 1/3 usability: don't ask questions if no reply is requiredJean-Noel Avila, May 11, 2017
  30. 2/3 read-tree -m: make error message for merging 0 trees less smart aleckJean-Noel Avila, May 11, 2017
  31. Jonathan NiederMay 11, 2017
  32. Junio C HamanoMay 12, 2017
  33. Jean-Noël AVILAMay 12, 2017
  34. 3/3 git-filter-branch:Jean-Noel Avila, May 11, 2017
  35. Junio C HamanoMay 12, 2017
  36. 1/3 usability: don't ask questions if no reply is requiredJean-Noel Avila, May 12, 2017
  37. 2/3 read-tree -m: make error message for merging 0 trees less smart aleckJean-Noel Avila, May 12, 2017
  38. 3/3 git-filter-branch: be more direct in an error messageJean-Noel Avila, May 12, 2017
  39. Junio C HamanoMay 12, 2017
  40. Johannes SixtMay 13, 2017
  41. Junio C HamanoMay 15, 2017

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