Re: Should git-remote-hg/bzr be part of the core?

From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Date: May 12, 2014, 10:37 UTC
Message-ID: <5370a47bee98c_139611a92fc29@nysa.notmuch>
In-Reply-To: <53709788.2050201@alum.mit.edu>

Michael Haggerty wrote:

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> On 05/12/2014 01:34 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > Recently Junio said he was willing to hear the opinion of other people
> > regarding the move from contrib to the core[1]. This move is already
> > under way, but suddenly Junio changed his mind.
> 
> I agree with Junio.  There are good technical arguments for and against
> moving git-remote-hg out of contrib.

Saying you agree with Junio is content-free. You have to say *why* you agree.

You mention there are good technical arguments against the graduation of the tools. Surely if you have analyzed those arguments enough to form an opinion aligned with Junio's, it should be easy to provide a short summary of those "good technical arguments". Can you do that?

> 1. That subproject has not been maintained to the standards of the Git
> project;

The quality of the subjproject has not been called into question, stop taiting the discussion with red herrings.

> 2. Moving git-remote-hg into the core would require even *more* of your
> presence on the Git mailing list.

That's not true. I sent my patches at my own pace, it doesn't matter if they are in contrib or in the core, I would have kept sending them at the same pace. I have addressed all issues and responded to all questions as if they were already part of the core, which is why they have more quality than other tools already in the core. I only stopped doing that when Junio changed the direction we had since day one.

Also a red herring.

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> > [...] Does it make sense to you that
> > you get thrown in jail for a crime you haven't committed merely because
> > someone thinks it's likely you will?
> 
> Being the leader of your own valuable open-source project is nothing
> like jail.  It is an opportunity for you to shine in an environment that
> is more suited to your personality.

Don't be ridiculous. There is no out-of-tree tool that could possibly compete in popularity against core tools.

If you think being out-of-tree is not a negative, lets throw out git-archimport, git-quiltimport, git-p4, git-cvs, git-svn. Let us give them an "opportunity to shine".

You know that those tools do better in the core, and you know git-remote-hg/bzr would do better in the core. Don't act as if you didn't.

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> This email is written in sorrow, not in anger.  Felipe, you seem to have
> so much potential.  If you would put as much effort in conducting social
> interactions as you do in coding, the whole balance would change
> entirely, and any software project would be happy to have you.  With all
> my heart I truly wish you the best in your future endeavors.

Let's see how sincere you are in your sentiment. I'll reply to you personally about the points that I consider to be red herrings and ad hominem attacks so we don't taint the dicussion. If you don't reply I'll know you were not being sincere.

Cheers.

-- 
Felipe Contreras