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Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful

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Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se>
Date
Jul 18, 2008, 08:19 UTC
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Johannes Schindelin wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> there have been a number of occasions where I came across people trying to 
> be helpful and teaching Git newbies a few tricks.
> 
> However, in quite a number of cases, which seem to surge over the last 
> weeks, I see people suggesting the use of rev-parse, ls-tree, rev-list 
> etc.
> 
> Their rationale is invariably "but I found it useful", and they seem to be 
> unable to recognize the puzzlement in the faces of the people they are 
> trying to help.
> 
> Instead they insist that they did nothing wrong.
> 
> I had the pleasure of introducing Git to a few users in the last months 
> and in my opinion, restricting myself to teaching them these commands 
> first helped tremendously:
> 
> - clone, pull, status, add, commit, push, log
> 
> All of these were presented without options, to keep things simple.
> 
> In particular, I refrained from giving them the "-a" option to commit.  
> That seemed to help incredibly with their embracing the index as a natural 
> concept (which it is).
> 
> Often I presented the "pull" and "push" commands _only_ with "origin 
> master" ("origin is where the repository came from, and master is the 
> branch; you will want to use other parameters here after you used Git for 
> a while").
> 
> _After_ they grew comfortable with Git, I taught them a few options here 
> and there, not hiding, but also not promoting the full range of options.
> 
> So the next tricks were
> 
> - log -p, rm, diff, diff --cached, show
> 
> The last one is "show", and with that command, I taught the 
> "<commit>:" and "<commit>:<file>" syntax, too (which some Git old-timers 
> did not know about ;-)
> 

Thanks for the excellent write-up. I wish I'd had this when I did the introductory courses at my dayjob. With those simple commands, 90% of the users get access to 90% of the usefulness of git, imo. And, more importantly, it's enough to get them started right away.

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> The pace needed to be adjusted to the users, in my experience, but not the 
> order.
> 
> Now, it makes me really, really sad that Git has a reputation of being 
> complicated, but I regularly hear from _my_ users that they do not 
> understand how that came about.
> 
> Am I the only one who deems teaching plumbing to users ("I like it raw!  
> So I teach it the same way!") harmful?
> 

I wholeheartedly agree. Telling people about "git rev-list" on day one is probably the single greatest mistake I've ever done wrt git. To the non-gitizen, it takes some mumbo-jumbo arguments and spits out a long list of mumbo-jumbo output. Had I started with "git log" instead, it would have been infinitely easier to explain how each commit has a totally unique name.

In addition, I'd recommend setting color.branch=auto color.diff=auto color.pager=true color.status=true before starting the "course". It makes the learning experience a whole lot nicer.

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Andreas Ericsson                   andreas.ericsson@op5.se
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  11. David KastrupJul 17, 2008
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  14. Subversion's do-everything-via-copying paradigm ( was RE: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful)Craig L. Ching, Jul 17, 2008
  15. David KastrupJul 17, 2008
  16. Craig L. ChingJul 17, 2008
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  28. David KastrupJul 17, 2008
  29. Robin RosenbergJul 17, 2008
  30. Dmitry PotapovJul 18, 2008
  31. Subversion is actually not so simple (was RE: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful)Craig L. Ching, Jul 17, 2008
  32. Jakub NarebskiJul 17, 2008
  33. Daniel BarkalowJul 17, 2008
  34. Junio C HamanoJul 16, 2008
  35. Avery PennarunJul 16, 2008
  36. Petr BaudisJul 16, 2008
  37. Avery PennarunJul 16, 2008
  38. Junio C HamanoJul 16, 2008
  39. Avery PennarunJul 16, 2008
  40. Junio C HamanoJul 16, 2008
  41. Avery PennarunJul 16, 2008
  42. Junio C HamanoJul 16, 2008
  43. Theodore TsoJul 16, 2008
  44. Junio C HamanoJul 16, 2008
  45. Sean KelleyJul 16, 2008
  46. Nigel MagnayJul 16, 2008
  47. Stephen SinclairJul 17, 2008
  48. Ping YinJul 18, 2008
  49. Dmitry PotapovJul 16, 2008
  50. Johannes SchindelinJul 16, 2008
  51. Theodore TsoJul 16, 2008
  52. Johannes SchindelinJul 17, 2008
  53. Theodore TsoJul 17, 2008
  54. Craig L. ChingJul 17, 2008
  55. Petr BaudisJul 17, 2008
  56. J. Bruce FieldsJul 17, 2008
  57. david@lang.hmJul 16, 2008
  58. Dmitry PotapovJul 16, 2008
  59. Stephen R. van den BergJul 16, 2008
  60. Nicolas PitreJul 16, 2008
  61. Junio C HamanoJul 16, 2008
  62. Johannes SchindelinJul 16, 2008
  63. Junio C HamanoJul 16, 2008
  64. Johannes SchindelinJul 17, 2008
  65. Junio C HamanoJul 17, 2008
  66. J. Bruce FieldsJul 17, 2008
  67. Karl HasselströmJul 17, 2008
  68. Johannes SchindelinJul 17, 2008
  69. Junio C HamanoJul 17, 2008
  70. Johannes SchindelinJul 17, 2008
  71. Junio C HamanoJul 17, 2008
  72. J. Bruce FieldsJul 18, 2008
  73. Addremove equivalent [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful]Michael J Gruber, Jul 18, 2008
  74. Jay SoffianJul 18, 2008
  75. Johannes SchindelinJul 18, 2008
  76. Junio C HamanoJul 20, 2008
  77. 1/2 builtin-add.c: restructure the code for maintainabilityJunio C Hamano, Jul 20, 2008
  78. 2/2 git-add -a: add all filesJunio C Hamano, Jul 20, 2008
  79. 3/2 git-add -a: testsJunio C Hamano, Jul 20, 2008
  80. TarmiganJul 20, 2008
  81. TarmiganJul 20, 2008
  82. Johannes SchindelinJul 20, 2008
  83. Jay SoffianJul 20, 2008
  84. Junio C HamanoJul 20, 2008
  85. Lars NoschinskiJul 20, 2008
  86. Jeff KingJul 20, 2008
  87. Junio C HamanoJul 21, 2008
  88. Jeff KingJul 21, 2008
  89. Jeff KingJul 21, 2008
  90. Jay SoffianJul 21, 2008
  91. Sverre RabbelierJul 20, 2008
  92. Dmitry PotapovJul 16, 2008
  93. Johannes SchindelinJul 16, 2008
  94. Stephan BeyerJul 16, 2008
  95. Johannes SchindelinJul 16, 2008
  96. Stephan BeyerJul 17, 2008
  97. Peter Valdemar Mørch (Lists)Jul 17, 2008
  98. Dmitry PotapovJul 17, 2008
  99. Theodore TsoJul 17, 2008
  100. Peter Valdemar MørchJul 17, 2008
  101. Theodore TsoJul 17, 2008
  102. Junio C HamanoJul 17, 2008
  103. Andreas EricssonJul 18, 2008
  104. Jeff KingJul 18, 2008
  105. Suggestion: doc restructuring [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful]Michael J Gruber, Jul 18, 2008
  106. Jon LoeligerJul 18, 2008
  107. Craig L. ChingJul 18, 2008
  108. Junio C HamanoJul 18, 2008
  109. Johannes SchindelinJul 19, 2008
  110. Junio C HamanoJul 20, 2008
  111. Johannes SchindelinJul 20, 2008
  112. Andreas EricssonJul 21, 2008
  113. Johannes SchindelinJul 21, 2008
  114. Junio C HamanoJul 21, 2008

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