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Re: Command-line interface thoughts

From
Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Date
Jun 7, 2011, 11:45 UTC
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Hi,
Michael J Gruber wrote:
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> I'm actually wondering whether there is any agreement on the sheer fact
> that there is a problem in the ui, namely having too many different
> commands or options (reset/commit/add/checkout resp. diff invocations;
> I've described that already) for different aspects of a "similar"
> concept (cp content version from A to B resp. diff it).

I agree that there is a problem --- a difficult learning curve that means for example it took a year or so before I was used to the "git diff describes the changes you are preparing" mnemonic for the various 0- and 1-tree git diff forms --- but I do not agree with your specific characterization of it. If there are too many ways to spell operations of a certain class then we should be looking to deprecate some of them, and that is a direction I do not think would be very fruitful.

So I'd prefer to focus on actual UI bugs, of the form, "A reasonable person tried this command, expecting this effect, and got some other effect instead" or "A reasonable person was searching for a command with this effect and the only solutions she came up with were convoluted".

Example:

Long ago, I remember wanting to see what unstaged changes were in the worktree --- that is, I wanted to compare the content of the index to the worktree. So, tell "git diff" to look at the index:

	git diff --cached

No, I should have used "git diff" and the model of "git diff" I had was completely wrong. How can we avoid this confusion?

One answer would be to adapt "git diff" to match a familiar model, that of the ordinary "diff" command. "diff" takes two arguments, preimage and postimage, so that would be:

	git diff INDEX WORKTREE

If there were an unmerged path in the index, this would do a three-way diff, just like "git diff" currently does.

That all sounds great, but I do not find it completely satisfactory. One problem is that if this is the mental model people have of "git diff", the three-way diff for a multiple stages, behavior of "git diff <paths>", and so on, however they are spelled, will look completely mystifying. From the point of view of "this command explains the changes in the worktree" they make sense, while from the point of view of "compare A to B" they don't make much sense at all. So this change just defers the learning process.

I think part of the problem in the current UI is that the documentation never spells out the idea of what plain "git diff" is for. Worse, "--cached means to look to the index in place of the worktree" doesn't seem to be spelled out anywhere except gitcli(7). I am not sure it is worth the headache of spelling the latter out instead of changing the UI to be easier to explain.

Something like "git diff --index-only" would at least set people thinking in the right direction --- "index only as opposed to what?".

With an INDEX pseudo-tree,
	git diff INDEX

is a synonym for "git diff", and to do "git diff --cached" one would have to write

	git diff HEAD INDEX

I like the "rename --cached to --index-only" proposal more but am not too satisfied with it, either. In a way it is tempting to teach people

	git diff-files -p;	# compare worktree to index
	git diff-index -p HEAD;	# compare worktree to HEAD
	git diff-index -p --cached HEAD;	# compare index to HEAD
	git diff-tree -p HEAD HEAD^;	# compare HEAD^ to HEAD

I wish there were some other alternative that can be learned more gracefully.

Sorry for the longwinded, meandering message. Still, I hope it clarifies a little.

Jonathan
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