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Re: [PATCH v3 14/21] read-cache: touch shared index files when used

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Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Date
Jan 31, 2017, 19:22 UTC
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Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com> writes:
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>> You are listing only the irrelevant cases.  The shared one may be
>> used immediately, and the user can keep using it for a while without
>> "touching".
>
> Now you are talking about a case where the shared index file can be
> used immediately and the user can keep using it.
> This is a different case than the case I was talking about (which is
> the case when the shared index file does not exist anymore).

Yes, as I said, you are listing irrelevant and uninteresting one. If the shared index is already gone, reporting failure to touch it is of no use---an attempt to read and use the split index that depends on the shared index that is gone will fail anyway.

> In a previous email you wrote that if the file system is read only, it
> is a bad thing if we warn.

Yes, but you need to realize that "it is better not to bother users with a report of failure to touch in read-only repository" and "we ignore all failures".

IIUC, you attempt to touch the shared index even when you are only reading the index, because you want to mark the fact that the shared index is still being depended upon. And I tend to agree that it is OK not to report a failure for that case. It is very similar to a situation where you are asked to peek into your coworker's repository, which you do not have write access to, and run "status". The command first runs the equivalent of "update-index --refresh" only in-core, and it attempts to write the updated index because (1) it paid the cost of doing the refreshing already, and (2) if it can write into the index, it will help future operations in the repository. But it does not report a failure to write the index exactly because it is merely doing an opportunistic write.

And in the "we read from the split index, and we attempt to touch the underlying shared one to update its timestamp" case, it is OK not to report if we failed to touch.

But you also attempt to touch the shared index when you are actually writing out a new split index file based on it, no? The "you created a ticking bomb" situation is where you fail to touch the shared index for whatever reason, even when you managed to write the new split index file.

We agreed that read-only operation should not nag, so it won't trigger when you are peeking somebody else's repository to help him. As I said, it is an uninteresting and irrelevant case---when your read-only peeking did not add new information to be preserved, it is less severe problem that you fail to reset the expiration. On the other hand, if you added new information, i.e. wrote the split index based on it, it is a good indication that the <split,shared> index pair has information that is more valuable. We must warn in that case.

> Now if you want to talk about the case when the shared index file has
> not been removed, but just chowned to "root", then I wonder how is it
> different from the case when the file system is read only.

The difference is that your code has enough information to notice the case where you know your touch failed, you know that you wanted to write (and the write succeeded), and yet you do NOT know why your touch failed. That is the ticking bomb we need to warn the user about.

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Message 40 of 56 in “Add configuration options for split-index”
  1. 00/21 Add configuration options for split-indexChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  2. 01/21 config: mark an error message up for translationChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  3. 02/21 config: add git_config_get_split_index()Christian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  4. 03/21 split-index: add {add,remove}_split_index() functionsChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  5. 04/21 read-cache: add and then use tweak_split_index()Christian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  6. 09/21 config: add git_config_get_max_percent_split_change()Christian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  7. 10/21 read-cache: regenerate shared index if necessaryChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  8. Junio C HamanoDec 27, 2016
  9. Christian CouderJan 2, 2017
  10. 05/21 update-index: warn in case of split-index incoherencyChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  11. 11/21 t1700: add tests for splitIndex.maxPercentChangeChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  12. 15/21 config: add git_config_get_expiry() from gc.cChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  13. 12/21 Documentation/config: add splitIndex.maxPercentChangeChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  14. Junio C HamanoDec 27, 2016
  15. Christian CouderJan 2, 2017
  16. 19/21 read-cache: use freshen_shared_index() in read_index_from()Christian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  17. 20/21 Documentation/config: add splitIndex.sharedIndexExpireChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  18. Junio C HamanoDec 27, 2016
  19. Christian CouderJan 2, 2017
  20. 17/21 t1700: test shared index file expirationChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  21. 21/21 Documentation/git-update-index: explain splitIndex.*Christian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  22. Junio C HamanoDec 27, 2016
  23. Christian CouderJan 2, 2017
  24. 18/21 read-cache: refactor read_index_from()Christian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  25. 16/21 read-cache: unlink old sharedindex filesChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  26. 14/21 read-cache: touch shared index files when usedChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  27. Junio C HamanoDec 27, 2016
  28. Christian CouderJan 2, 2017
  29. Junio C HamanoJan 7, 2017
  30. Duy NguyenJan 9, 2017
  31. Junio C HamanoJan 9, 2017
  32. Duy NguyenJan 19, 2017
  33. Junio C HamanoJan 19, 2017
  34. Duy NguyenJan 20, 2017
  35. Christian CouderJan 23, 2017
  36. Junio C HamanoJan 23, 2017
  37. Christian CouderJan 25, 2017
  38. Junio C HamanoJan 25, 2017
  39. Christian CouderJan 31, 2017
  40. Junio C HamanoJan 31, 2017
  41. Junio C HamanoJan 31, 2017
  42. 13/21 sha1_file: make check_and_freshen_file() non staticChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  43. Junio C HamanoDec 27, 2016
  44. 07/21 Documentation/config: add information for core.splitIndexChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  45. 08/21 Documentation/git-update-index: talk about core.splitIndex config varChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  46. Junio C HamanoDec 27, 2016
  47. Christian CouderJan 2, 2017
  48. Junio C HamanoJan 7, 2017
  49. Duy NguyenJan 9, 2017
  50. Christian CouderJan 23, 2017
  51. Junio C HamanoJan 23, 2017
  52. 06/21 t1700: add tests for core.splitIndexChristian Couder, Dec 26, 2016
  53. Junio C HamanoDec 27, 2016
  54. Christian CouderJan 2, 2017
  55. Junio C HamanoJan 3, 2017
  56. Christian CouderDec 26, 2016

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