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Re: Missing Promisor Objects in Partial Repo Design Doc

From
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Date
Oct 2, 2024, 02:54 UTC
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> Missing Promisor Objects in Partial Repo Design Doc
> ===================================================
>
> Basic Reproduction Steps
> ------------------------
>
>  - Partial clone repository
>  - Create local commit and push
>  - Fetch new changes
>  - Garbage collection
>
> State After Reproduction
> ------------------------
>
> commit  tree  blob
>   C3 ---- T3 -- B3 (fetched from remote, in promisor pack)
>   |
>   C2b ---- T2b -- B2b (created locally, in non-promisor pack)
>   |
>   C2a ---- T2a -- B2a (created locally, in non-promisor pack)
>   |
>   C1 ---- T1 -- B1 (fetched from remote, in promisor pack)
>
> Explanation of the Problem
> --------------------------
>
> In a partial clone repository, non-promisor commits are locally
> committed as children of promisor commits and then pushed up to the
> server. Fetches of new history can result in promisor commits that have
> non-promisor commits as ancestors. During garbage collection, objects
> are repacked in 2 steps. In the first step, if there is more than one
> promisor packfile, all objects in promisor packfiles are repacked into a
> single promisor packfile. In the second step, a revision walk is made
> from all refs (and some other things like HEAD and reflog entries) that
> stops whenever it encounters a promisor object. In the example above, if
> a ref pointed directly to C2a, it would be returned by the walk (as an
> object to be packed). But if we only had a ref pointing to C3, the
> revision walk immediately sees that it is a promisor object, does not
> return it, and does not iterate through its parents.

True. Will it become even worse, if a protocol extension Christian proposes starts suggesting a repository that is not lazy to add a promisor remote? In such a set-up, perhaps all history leading to C2b down to the root are local, but C3 may have come from a promisor remote (hence in a promisor pack).

> (C2b is a bit of a special case. Despite not being in a promisor pack,
> it is still considered to be a promisor object since C3 directly
> references it.)

Yes, and I suspect the root cause of this confusion is because "promisor object", as defined today, is a flawed concept. If C2b were pointed by a local ref, just like the case the ref points at C2a, they should be treated the same way, as both of them are locally created. To put it another way, presumably the local have already been pushed out to elsewhere and the promisor remote got hold of them, and that is why C3 can build on top of them. And the fact C2b is directly reachable from C3 and C2a is not should not have any relevance if C2a or C2b are not _included_ in promisor packs (hence both of them need to be included in the local pack).

Two concepts that would have been useful are (1) objects that are in promisor packs and (2) objects that are reachable from an object that is in a promisor pack. I do not see how the current definition of "promisor objects" (i.e. in a promisor pack, or one hop from an object in a promisor pack) is useful in any context.

> If we think this is a bad state, we should propagate the “promisor-ness”
> of C3 to its ancestors. Git commands should either prevent this state
> from occurring or tolerate it and fix it when we can. If we did run into
> this state unexpectedly, then it would be considered a BUG.
Yup, that is the basis of the solutions we saw proposed so far.
> If we think it is a valid state, we should NOT propagate the
> “promisor-ness” of C3 to its ancestors. Git commands should respect that
> this is a possible state and be able to work around it. Therefore, this
> bug would then be strictly caused by garbage collection
Yes, that is possibly an alternative.
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> Bad State Solutions
> ===================
>
> Fetch negotiation
> -----------------
> Implemented at
> https://lore.kernel.org/git/20240919234741.1317946-1-calvinwan@google.com/
>
> During fetch negotiation, if a commit is not in a promisor pack and
> therefore local, do not declare it as "have" so they can be fetched into
> a promisor pack.
>
> Cost:
> - Creation of set of promisor pack objects (by iterating through every
>   .idx of promisor packs)

What is "promisor PACK objects"? Is it different from the "promisor objects" (i.e. what I called the useless definition above)?

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> - Refetch number of local commits
>
> Pros: Implementation is simple, client doesn’t have to repack, prevents
> state from ever occurring in the repository.
>
> Cons: Network cost of refetching could be high if many local commits
> need to be refetched.

What if we get into the same state by creating local C4, which gets to outside and on top of which C5 is built, which is now sitting at the tip of the remote history and we fetch from them? In order to include C4 in the "promisor pack", we refrain from saying C4 is a "have" for us and refetch. Would C2 be fetched again?

I do not think C2 would be, because we made it an object in a promisor pack when we "fixed" the history for C3.

So the cost will not grow proportionally to the depth of the history, which makes it OK from my point of view.

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> Garbage Collection repack
> -------------------------
> Not yet implemented.
>
> Same concept at “fetch repack”, but happens during garbage collection
> instead. The traversal is more expensive since we no longer have access
> to what was recently fetched so we have to traverse through all promisor
> packs to collect tips of “bad” history.

In other words, with the status quo, "git gc" that attempts to repack "objects in promisor packs" and "other objects that did not get repacked in the step that repack objects in promisor packs" separately, it implements the latter in a buggy way and discards some objects. And fixing that bug by doing the right thing is expensive.

Stepping back a bit, why is the loss of C2a/C2b/C2 a problem after "git gc"? Wouldn't these "missing" objects be lazily fetchable, now C3 is known to the remote and the remote promises everything reachable from what they offer are (re)fetchable from them? IOW, is this a correctness issue, or only performance issue (of having to re-fetch what we once locally had)?

> Cons: Packing local objects into promisor packs means that it is no
> longer possible to detect if an object is missing due to repository
> corruption or because we need to fetch it from a promisor remote.

Is this true? Can we tell, when trying to access C2a/C2b/C2 after the current version of "git gc" removes them from the local object store, that they are missing due to repository corruption? After all, C3 can reach them so wouldn't it be possible for us to fetch them from the promisor remote?

After a lazy clone that omits a lot of objects acquires many objects over time by fetching missing objects on demand, wouldn't we want to have an option to "slim" the local repository by discarding some of these objects (the ones that are least frequently used), relying on the promise by the promisor remote that even if we did so, they can be fetched again? Can we treat loss of C2a/C2b/C2 as if such a feature prematurely kicked in? Or are we failing to refetch them for some reason?

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> Packing local objects into promisor packs means that garbage collection
> will no longer remove unreachable local objects.
>
> Valid State Solutions
> =====================
> Garbage Collection check
> ------------------------
> Not yet implemented.
>
> Currently during the garbage collection rev walk, whenever a promisor
> commit is reached, it is marked UNINTERESTING, and then subsequently all
> ancestors of the promisor commit are traversed and also marked
> UNINTERESTING. Therefore, add a check for whether a commit is local or
> not during promisor commit ancestor traversal and do not mark local
> commits as UNINTERESTING.
>
> commit  tree  blob
>   C3 ---- T3 -- B3 (fetched from remote, in promisor pack)
>   |
>   C2 ---- T2 -- B2 (created locally, in non-promisor pack, gc does not delete)
>   |
>   C1 ---- T1 -- B1 (fetched from remote, in promisor pack)
>
> Cost:
> - Adds an additional check to every ancestor of a promisor commit.
>
> This is practically the only solution if the state is valid. Fsck would
> also have to start checking for validity of ancestors of promisor
> commits instead of ignoring them as it currently does.

In the longer term, this looks like the most straight-forward and easy to explain solution to me.

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> Optimizations
> =============
>
> The “creation of set of promisor pack objects” can be replaced with
> “creation of set of non-promisor objects” since the latter is almost
> always cheaper and we can check for non-existence rather than existence.
> This does not work for “fetch negotiation” since if we have a commit
> that's in both a promisor pack and a non-promisor pack, the algorithm's
> correctness relies on the fact that we report it as a promisor object
> (because we really need the server to re-send it).
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Message 33 of 65 in “revision: fix reachable objects being gc'ed in no blob clone repo”
  1. 0/1 revision: fix reachable objects being gc'ed in no blob clone repoHan Young, Aug 2, 2024
  2. 1/1 revision: don't set parents as uninteresting if exclude promisor objectsHan Young, Aug 2, 2024
  3. Junio C HamanoAug 2, 2024
  4. 韩仰Aug 12, 2024
  5. Junio C HamanoAug 12, 2024
  6. 韩仰Aug 22, 2024
  7. Jonathan TanAug 13, 2024
  8. Jonathan TanAug 13, 2024
  9. Junio C HamanoAug 14, 2024
  10. Jonathan TanAug 14, 2024
  11. 0/4 revision: fix reachable objects being gc'ed in no blob clone repoHan Young, Aug 23, 2024
  12. 1/4 packfile: split promisor objects oidset into twoHan Young, Aug 23, 2024
  13. 2/4 revision: add exclude-promisor-pack-objects optionHan Young, Aug 23, 2024
  14. 3/4 revision: don't mark commit as UNINTERESTING if --exclude-promisor-objects is setHan Young, Aug 23, 2024
  15. 4/4 repack: use new exclude promisor pack objects optionHan Young, Aug 23, 2024
  16. 0/2 revision: fix reachable commits being gc'ed in partial repoCalvin Wan, Sep 19, 2024
  17. 1/2 packfile: split promisor objects oidset into twoCalvin Wan, Sep 19, 2024
  18. Junio C HamanoSep 22, 2024
  19. 2/2 fetch-pack.c: do not declare local commits as "have" in partial reposCalvin Wan, Sep 19, 2024
  20. Junio C HamanoSep 22, 2024
  21. Junio C HamanoSep 22, 2024
  22. 韩仰Sep 23, 2024
  23. Junio C HamanoSep 23, 2024
  24. Calvin WanOct 2, 2024
  25. 0/2 repack: pack everything into promisor packfile in partial reposHan Young, Sep 25, 2024
  26. 1/2 repack: pack everything into packfileHan Young, Sep 25, 2024
  27. 2/2 t0410: adapt tests to repack changesHan Young, Sep 25, 2024
  28. Phillip WoodSep 25, 2024
  29. Junio C HamanoSep 25, 2024
  30. Junio C HamanoSep 25, 2024
  31. Missing Promisor Objects in Partial Repo Design DocCalvin Wan, Oct 1, 2024
  32. Junio C HamanoOct 1, 2024
  33. Junio C HamanoOct 2, 2024
  34. Han YoungOct 2, 2024
  35. Calvin WanOct 8, 2024
  36. Han YoungOct 9, 2024
  37. Jonathan TanOct 9, 2024
  38. Jonathan TanOct 12, 2024
  39. Han YoungOct 12, 2024
  40. Jonathan TanOct 14, 2024
  41. Jonathan TanOct 9, 2024
  42. 0/3 repack: pack everything into promisor packfile in partial reposHan Young, Oct 8, 2024
  43. 1/3 repack: pack everything into packfileHan Young, Oct 8, 2024
  44. Calvin WanOct 8, 2024
  45. 2/3 t0410: adapt tests to repack changesHan Young, Oct 8, 2024
  46. 3/3 partial-clone: update docHan Young, Oct 8, 2024
  47. Junio C HamanoOct 8, 2024
  48. Junio C HamanoOct 8, 2024
  49. Han YoungOct 9, 2024
  50. 0/3 repack: pack everything into promisor packfile in partial reposHan Young, Oct 11, 2024
  51. 1/3 repack: pack everything into packfileHan Young, Oct 11, 2024
  52. 2/3 repack: adapt tests to repack changesHan Young, Oct 11, 2024
  53. 3/3 partial-clone: update docHan Young, Oct 11, 2024
  54. Junio C HamanoOct 11, 2024
  55. Junio C HamanoOct 11, 2024
  56. 0/3 repack: pack everything into promisor packfile in partial reposHan Young, Oct 14, 2024
  57. 1/3 repack: pack everything into packfileHan Young, Oct 14, 2024
  58. 2/3 t0410: adapt tests to repack changesHan Young, Oct 14, 2024
  59. 3/3 partial-clone: update docHan Young, Oct 14, 2024
  60. 0/3 Repack on fetchJonathan Tan, Oct 21, 2024
  61. 1/3 move variableJonathan Tan, Oct 21, 2024
  62. 2/3 pack-objectsJonathan Tan, Oct 21, 2024
  63. 3/3 record local links and call pack-objectsJonathan Tan, Oct 21, 2024
  64. Han YoungOct 23, 2024
  65. Jonathan TanOct 23, 2024

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