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Re: [PATCH v3 01/14] commit-graph: add format document

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Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Date
Feb 8, 2018, 21:21 UTC
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Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:
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> Add document specifying the binary format for commit graphs. This
> format allows for:
>
> * New versions.
> * New hash functions and hash lengths.

It still is unclear, at least to me, why OID and OID length are stored as if they can be independent. If a reader does not understand a new Object Id hash, is there anything the reader can still do by knowing how long the hash (which it cannot recompute to validate) is? And if a reader does know what OID hashing scheme is used to refer to the objects, it certainly would know how long the OIDs are.

Giving length may make sense only when a reader can treat these OIDs as completely opaque identifiers, without having to (re)hash from the contents, but if that is the case, then there is no point saying what exact hash function is used to compute OID.

So I'd understand storing only either one or the other, but not both. Am I missing something?

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> +The Git commit graph stores a list of commit OIDs and some associated
> +metadata, including:
> +
> +- The generation number of the commit. Commits with no parents have
> +  generation number 1; commits with parents have generation number
> +  one more than the maximum generation number of its parents. We
> +  reserve zero as special, and can be used to mark a generation
> +  number invalid or as "not computed".

This "most natural" definition of generation number is stricter than absolutely necessary (a looser definition that is sufficient is "gennum of a child is larger than all of its parents'"). While I personally think that is OK, some people who floated different ideas in previous discussions on generation numbers may want to articulate their ideas again. One idea that I found clever was to use the total number of commits that are ancestors of a commit instead (it is far more expensive to compute than the most natural gennum, but doing so may help other topology math, like "describe").

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> +CHUNK LOOKUP:
> +
> +  (C + 1) * 12 bytes listing the table of contents for the chunks:
> +      First 4 bytes describe chunk id. Value 0 is a terminating label.
> +      Other 8 bytes provide offset in current file for chunk to start.
> +      (Chunks are ordered contiguously in the file, so you can infer
> +      the length using the next chunk position if necessary.)

Aren't chunks numbered contiguously, starting from #1, thereby making it unnecessary to store the 4-byte?

How does a reader obtain the length of the last chunk?  Ahh, that is
why there are C+1 entries in this table, not just C, so that the
reader knows where to stop while reading the last one.  Does that
mean that this table looks like this?
   
    { 1, offset_1 },
    { 2, offset_2 },
    ...
    { C, offset_C },
    { 0, offset_C+1 },
where where (offset_N+1 - offset_N) gives the length of chunk #N?
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> +  The remaining data in the body is described one chunk at a time, and
> +  these chunks may be given in any order. Chunks are required unless
> +  otherwise specified.
> +
> +CHUNK DATA:
> +
> +  OID Fanout (ID: {'O', 'I', 'D', 'F'}) (256 * 4 bytes)
> +      The ith entry, F[i], stores the number of OIDs with first
> +      byte at most i. Thus F[255] stores the total
> +      number of commits (N).
> +
> +  OID Lookup (ID: {'O', 'I', 'D', 'L'}) (N * H bytes)
> +      The OIDs for all commits in the graph, sorted in ascending order.
> +
> +  Commit Data (ID: {'C', 'G', 'E', 'T' }) (N * (H + 16) bytes)
> +    * The first H bytes are for the OID of the root tree.
> +    * The next 8 bytes are for the int-ids of the first two parents
> +      of the ith commit. Stores value 0xffffffff if no parent in that
> +      position. If there are more than two parents, the second value
> +      has its most-significant bit on and the other bits store an array
> +      position into the Large Edge List chunk.
> +    * The next 8 bytes store the generation number of the commit and
> +      the commit time in seconds since EPOCH. The generation number
> +      uses the higher 30 bits of the first 4 bytes, while the commit
> +      time uses the 32 bits of the second 4 bytes, along with the lowest
> +      2 bits of the lowest byte, storing the 33rd and 34th bit of the
> +      commit time.
> +
> +  Large Edge List (ID: {'E', 'D', 'G', 'E'})
> +      This list of 4-byte values store the second through nth parents for
> +      all octopus merges. The second parent value in the commit data stores
> +      an array position within this list along with the most-significant bit
> +      on. Starting at that array position, iterate through this list of int-ids
> +      for the parents until reaching a value with the most-significant bit on.
> +      The other bits correspond to the int-id of the last parent. This chunk
> +      should always be present, but may be empty.
I am not convinced about the value of these 4-byte section IDs.  

They are useless unless you define what should happen when a reader sees a block of data with an unknown ID; presence of these IDs given an impression that you allow a reimplementation to reorder the sections unnecessarily, especially when all of these are required anyway, making the canonical reader implementation unnecessarily complex, no?

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  1. 00/14 Serialized Git Commit GraphDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  2. 01/14 commit-graph: add format documentDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  3. Jonathan TanFeb 1, 2018
  4. 03/14 commit-graph: create git-commit-graph builtinDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  5. SZEDER GáborFeb 2, 2018
  6. 06/14 commit-graph: implement git-commit-graph --readDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  7. Stefan BellerJan 31, 2018
  8. SZEDER GáborFeb 2, 2018
  9. Jonathan TanFeb 2, 2018
  10. Derrick StoleeFeb 5, 2018
  11. 08/14 commit-graph: implement git-commit-graph --clearDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  12. SZEDER GáborFeb 2, 2018
  13. 11/14 commit: integrate commit graph with commit parsingDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  14. Jonathan TanFeb 2, 2018
  15. Derrick StoleeFeb 6, 2018
  16. 13/14 commit-graph: close under reachabilityDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  17. 09/14 commit-graph: teach git-commit-graph --delete-expiredDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  18. SZEDER GáborFeb 2, 2018
  19. 12/14 commit-graph: read only from specific pack-indexesDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  20. 14/14 commit-graph: build graph from starting commitsDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  21. 10/14 commit-graph: add core.commitgraph settingDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  22. Igor DjordjevicJan 31, 2018
  23. SZEDER GáborFeb 2, 2018
  24. 02/14 graph: add commit graph design documentDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  25. Stefan BellerJan 31, 2018
  26. 05/14 commit-graph: implement git-commit-graph --writeDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  27. Jonathan TanFeb 1, 2018
  28. Stefan BellerFeb 2, 2018
  29. Junio C HamanoFeb 2, 2018
  30. Derrick StoleeFeb 3, 2018
  31. Jeff KingFeb 3, 2018
  32. Junio C HamanoFeb 5, 2018
  33. Derrick StoleeFeb 6, 2018
  34. SZEDER GáborFeb 1, 2018
  35. Derrick StoleeFeb 5, 2018
  36. SZEDER GáborFeb 2, 2018
  37. 07/14 commit-graph: implement git-commit-graph --update-headDerrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  38. SZEDER GáborFeb 2, 2018
  39. Derrick StoleeFeb 5, 2018
  40. SZEDER GáborFeb 2, 2018
  41. 04/14 commit-graph: implement construct_commit_graph()Derrick Stolee, Jan 30, 2018
  42. Jonathan TanFeb 1, 2018
  43. SZEDER GáborFeb 1, 2018
  44. SZEDER GáborFeb 2, 2018
  45. Derrick StoleeFeb 5, 2018
  46. SZEDER GáborFeb 7, 2018
  47. Derrick StoleeFeb 7, 2018
  48. Stefan BellerJan 30, 2018
  49. Stefan BellerFeb 1, 2018
  50. 00/14 Serialized Git Commit GraphDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  51. 01/14 commit-graph: add format documentDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  52. Junio C HamanoFeb 8, 2018
  53. Derrick StoleeFeb 8, 2018
  54. Junio C HamanoFeb 8, 2018
  55. 03/14 commit-graph: create git-commit-graph builtinDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  56. Junio C HamanoFeb 8, 2018
  57. Derrick StoleeFeb 8, 2018
  58. Junio C HamanoFeb 8, 2018
  59. 07/14 commit-graph: update graph-head during writeDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  60. Junio C HamanoFeb 12, 2018
  61. Junio C HamanoFeb 12, 2018
  62. Derrick StoleeFeb 12, 2018
  63. Jonathan TanFeb 13, 2018
  64. 10/14 commit-graph: add core.commitGraph settingDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  65. 12/14 commit-graph: close under reachabilityDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  66. 11/14 commit: integrate commit graph with commit parsingDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  67. Jonathan TanFeb 14, 2018
  68. Derrick StoleeFeb 14, 2018
  69. Junio C HamanoFeb 15, 2018
  70. 05/14 commit-graph: implement 'git-commit-graph write'Derrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  71. Jonathan TanFeb 13, 2018
  72. 08/14 commit-graph: implement 'git-commit-graph clear'Derrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  73. Jonathan TanFeb 13, 2018
  74. 09/14 commit-graph: implement --delete-expiredDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  75. 13/14 commit-graph: read only from specific pack-indexesDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  76. 14/14 commit-graph: build graph from starting commitsDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  77. SZEDER GáborFeb 9, 2018
  78. Derrick StoleeFeb 9, 2018
  79. 06/14 commit-graph: implement 'git-commit-graph read'Derrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  80. Junio C HamanoFeb 8, 2018
  81. 02/14 graph: add commit graph design documentDerrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  82. 04/14 commit-graph: implement write_commit_graph()Derrick Stolee, Feb 8, 2018
  83. Junio C HamanoFeb 8, 2018
  84. Junio C HamanoFeb 15, 2018
  85. Derrick StoleeFeb 15, 2018
  86. Derrick StoleeFeb 14, 2018
  87. Stefan BellerFeb 14, 2018
  88. Derrick StoleeFeb 14, 2018
  89. 00/13 Serialized Git Commit GraphDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  90. 01/13 commit-graph: add format documentDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  91. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2018
  92. Stefan BellerFeb 21, 2018
  93. Derrick StoleeFeb 21, 2018
  94. Stefan BellerFeb 21, 2018
  95. Jakub NarebskiMar 30, 2018
  96. Derrick StoleeApr 2, 2018
  97. Jakub NarebskiApr 2, 2018
  98. 03/13 commit-graph: create git-commit-graph builtinDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  99. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2018
  100. Junio C HamanoFeb 21, 2018
  101. Derrick StoleeFeb 23, 2018
  102. SZEDER GáborFeb 26, 2018
  103. Derrick StoleeFeb 26, 2018
  104. 06/13 commit-graph: implement git commit-graph readDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  105. Junio C HamanoFeb 21, 2018
  106. Junio C HamanoFeb 22, 2018
  107. 08/13 commit-graph: implement --delete-expiredDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  108. Stefan BellerFeb 21, 2018
  109. Derrick StoleeFeb 23, 2018
  110. Junio C HamanoFeb 22, 2018
  111. Derrick StoleeFeb 23, 2018
  112. Junio C HamanoFeb 23, 2018
  113. Derrick StoleeFeb 23, 2018
  114. Junio C HamanoFeb 23, 2018
  115. 09/13 commit-graph: add core.commitGraph settingDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  116. 10/13 commit-graph: close under reachabilityDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  117. 11/13 commit: integrate commit graph with commit parsingDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  118. 12/13 commit-graph: read only from specific pack-indexesDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  119. Stefan BellerFeb 21, 2018
  120. Derrick StoleeFeb 23, 2018
  121. 13/13 commit-graph: build graph from starting commitsDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  122. 07/13 commit-graph: implement --set-latestDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  123. Junio C HamanoFeb 22, 2018
  124. Derrick StoleeFeb 23, 2018
  125. 02/13 graph: add commit graph design documentDerrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  126. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2018
  127. Derrick StoleeFeb 23, 2018
  128. Stefan BellerFeb 21, 2018
  129. 04/13 commit-graph: implement write_commit_graph()Derrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  130. Junio C HamanoFeb 20, 2018
  131. Derrick StoleeFeb 23, 2018
  132. Junio C HamanoFeb 23, 2018
  133. Junio C HamanoFeb 23, 2018
  134. Derrick StoleeFeb 23, 2018
  135. SZEDER GáborFeb 26, 2018
  136. Junio C HamanoFeb 28, 2018
  137. 05/13 commit-graph: implement 'git-commit-graph write'Derrick Stolee, Feb 19, 2018
  138. Junio C HamanoFeb 21, 2018
  139. Jakub NarebskiMar 30, 2018
  140. Derrick StoleeApr 2, 2018
  141. Jakub NarebskiApr 2, 2018
  142. Derrick StoleeApr 2, 2018
  143. Stefan BellerApr 2, 2018
  144. Derrick StoleeApr 2, 2018
  145. Stefan BellerApr 2, 2018
  146. Jakub NarebskiApr 7, 2018

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