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Re: On Tabs and Spaces

From
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Date
Oct 16, 2007, 19:51 UTC
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<alpine.LFD.0.999.0710161247511.6887@woody.linux-foundation.org>
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote:
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> 
> But when it comes to computers, 8-character wide tab stops is the 
> de-facto standard. It's what every single terminal defaults to. It's the 
> only thing that some printers/terminals support. Anything else is by 
> definition non-standard.

Side note: one reason you *have* to use 8-character wide tab stops if you want to be sane is that while your editor may have alternate tab-stops, but when you look at the sources any other ways or on any other setup, the default is *always* going to be that 8-character wide tab-stop.

Do a "git cat-file -p :Makefile", and it will default to using "less". Have you added "-x2" to you LESS environment variable? Has everybody else? Not likely.

Or what happens when you just cat it straight, without any less at all? 

In short: using anything but 8-char wide tab-stops is INSANE, because it will inevitably showing the same source code in different ways depending on which editor or other environment you use.

In contrast, if you just accept that 8-wide tabs are a fact, you never see any of these issues. Everything "just works".

			Linus
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Message 18 of 100 in “On Tabs and Spaces”
  1. Michael WittenOct 16, 2007
  2. Shawn O. PearceOct 16, 2007
  3. Michael WittenOct 16, 2007
  4. Andreas EricssonOct 16, 2007
  5. Sam RavnborgOct 16, 2007
  6. Petr BaudisOct 16, 2007
  7. DavidOct 17, 2007
  8. Andy ParkinsOct 17, 2007
  9. Adam PiatyszekOct 16, 2007
  10. Lars HjemliOct 16, 2007
  11. Adam PiatyszekOct 16, 2007
  12. Jeffrey C. OllieOct 16, 2007
  13. Michael WittenOct 16, 2007
  14. Jari AaltoOct 16, 2007
  15. Linus TorvaldsOct 16, 2007
  16. Mike HommeyOct 16, 2007
  17. Linus TorvaldsOct 16, 2007
  18. Linus TorvaldsOct 16, 2007
  19. Matthieu MoyOct 16, 2007
  20. Tom TobinOct 16, 2007
  21. Linus TorvaldsOct 16, 2007
  22. Christer WeinigelOct 16, 2007
  23. Linus TorvaldsOct 17, 2007
  24. Michael WittenOct 17, 2007
  25. Linus TorvaldsOct 17, 2007
  26. Luke LuOct 17, 2007
  27. Michael WittenOct 17, 2007
  28. Luke LuOct 17, 2007
  29. Nikolai WeibullOct 17, 2007
  30. Michael WittenOct 17, 2007
  31. Jari AaltoOct 17, 2007
  32. Andreas EricssonOct 17, 2007
  33. Jari AaltoOct 17, 2007
  34. Dmitry TorokhovOct 18, 2007
  35. Jari AaltoOct 18, 2007
  36. Petr BaudisOct 18, 2007
  37. Nikolai WeibullOct 18, 2007
  38. Miles BaderOct 22, 2007
  39. David KågedalOct 18, 2007
  40. Mike HommeyOct 18, 2007
  41. Jari AaltoOct 18, 2007
  42. Linus TorvaldsOct 17, 2007
  43. Johannes SchindelinOct 17, 2007
  44. Tom TobinOct 17, 2007
  45. Linus TorvaldsOct 17, 2007
  46. Tom TobinOct 17, 2007
  47. Linus TorvaldsOct 17, 2007
  48. Nicolas PitreOct 17, 2007
  49. Josh EnglandOct 17, 2007
  50. Linus TorvaldsOct 17, 2007
  51. Christer WeinigelOct 17, 2007
  52. Linus TorvaldsOct 17, 2007
  53. David KastrupOct 18, 2007
  54. Johannes SchindelinOct 17, 2007
  55. Christer WeinigelOct 17, 2007
  56. Johannes SchindelinOct 17, 2007
  57. Christer WeinigelOct 18, 2007
  58. Andreas EricssonOct 18, 2007
  59. David KågedalOct 18, 2007
  60. Linus TorvaldsOct 17, 2007
  61. David KastrupOct 17, 2007
  62. Johannes SchindelinOct 17, 2007
  63. Jan WielemakerOct 17, 2007
  64. Jeff KingOct 18, 2007
  65. Linus TorvaldsOct 18, 2007
  66. Jeff KingOct 18, 2007
  67. david@lang.hmOct 18, 2007
  68. Jeff KingOct 18, 2007
  69. Linus TorvaldsOct 18, 2007
  70. Linus TorvaldsOct 18, 2007
  71. Linus TorvaldsOct 18, 2007
  72. Jeff KingOct 18, 2007
  73. Add a message explaining that automatic GC is about to startkoreth@midwinter.com, Oct 18, 2007
  74. Steven GrimmOct 18, 2007
  75. Jeff KingOct 18, 2007
  76. Shawn O. PearceOct 18, 2007
  77. Brian GernhardtOct 18, 2007
  78. Steven GrimmOct 18, 2007
  79. Jeff KingOct 18, 2007
  80. Shawn O. PearceOct 19, 2007
  81. git-gc: improve wording of --auto notificationJeff King, Oct 19, 2007
  82. Shawn O. PearceOct 19, 2007
  83. Jeff KingOct 19, 2007
  84. Nicolas PitreOct 18, 2007
  85. Nicolas PitreOct 18, 2007
  86. Jeff KingOct 18, 2007
  87. Jeff KingOct 18, 2007
  88. David KastrupOct 17, 2007
  89. Nicolas PitreOct 17, 2007
  90. David KastrupOct 17, 2007
  91. SeanOct 17, 2007
  92. David KastrupOct 17, 2007
  93. Sam RavnborgOct 16, 2007
  94. Paul WankadiaOct 18, 2007
  95. Linus TorvaldsOct 18, 2007
  96. Dmitry PotapovOct 18, 2007
  97. Andreas EricssonOct 16, 2007
  98. Jan-Benedict GlawOct 16, 2007
  99. Andreas EricssonOct 16, 2007
  100. Robin RosenbergOct 20, 2007

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