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Re: When should we release Git 3.0?

From
Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Date
Oct 8, 2025, 21:59 UTC
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On Thu, Oct 02, 2025 at 03:31:11PM +0200, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
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> On Wed, Oct 01, 2025 at 12:04:38PM -0400, Taylor Blau wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 01, 2025 at 08:13:12AM +0100, Luca Milanesio wrote:
> > > I am worried that if we rush into Git 3.0 with breaking changes that
> > > would make other “forges” (e.g. JGit) incompatible, we would be in a
> > > difficult situation with the other Git ecosystem that isn’t based on
> > > the C-Git implementation.
> >
> > That's a good point. I am not familiar enough with JGit (or really any
> > non-standard Git implementations) to know where SHA-256 support is in
> > those respective implementations.
> >
> > But regardless of whether we're talking about a forge that is based on
> > git.git or some other implementation, there is very likely lots of other
> > work to be done to support SHA-256 outside of flipping the hash function
> > within Git.
> >
> > (I'm thinking here about database migrations for columns that may store
> > 40-character SHA-1 hashes, for example, which can take a potentially
> > significant amount of time to migrate depending on the size of the
> > database, etc.)
> >
> > So my feeling here is that we should take into account not just the
> > readiness of the underlying Git implementation used by hosting providers
> > in the Git ecosystem, but also the readiness of the hosting providers
> > themselves to do the work necessary to facilitate that transition
> > outside of their Git implementation.
>
> We definitely should take into account the readiness. But what I think
> we'll need is a roadmap from impacted Git implementations and hosting
> providers so that we can answer the question when they plan to have
> SHA256 support ready.
>
> Without such a roadmap it's basically impossible for us to set up any
> realistic date. In that case, we only have one of two options:
>
>   - We just wait until eventually everyone has SHA256 support. This has
>     the effect that there is no pressure on anybody, and thus it is more
>     likely than not that it'll just never happen.
>
>   - We set a strict, "uninformed" deadline that may be too ambitious and
>     unrealistic.
>
> Once we have roadmaps, we should set a strict deadline that takes them
> into account. Any hosting provider or implementation of Git that doesn't
> provide a roadmap will not be taken into account in our planning.

I would imagine that the definition of "roadmap" here is fairly lightweight, since I imagine that some organizations may not want to share details beyond "we will have it done by X date".

I think I generally agree with you, but I would say that while I think the project should take a firm stance on when it will release Git 3.0, I do not think that we should entirely disregard the readiness of forges/implementations by making the deadline so strict.

Thanks, Taylor

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Message 24 of 33 in “When should we release Git 3.0?”
  1. brian m. carlsonSep 30, 2025
  2. Luca MilanesioOct 1, 2025
  3. Taylor BlauOct 1, 2025
  4. rsbecker@nexbridge.comOct 1, 2025
  5. Taylor BlauOct 8, 2025
  6. rsbecker@nexbridge.comOct 8, 2025
  7. Patrick SteinhardtOct 2, 2025
  8. Junio C HamanoOct 2, 2025
  9. Michal SuchánekOct 2, 2025
  10. Patrick SteinhardtOct 7, 2025
  11. Michal SuchánekOct 7, 2025
  12. Patrick SteinhardtOct 7, 2025
  13. Michal SuchánekOct 7, 2025
  14. Junio C HamanoOct 7, 2025
  15. Michal SuchánekOct 7, 2025
  16. SZEDER GáborOct 8, 2025
  17. Patrick SteinhardtOct 9, 2025
  18. Ben KnobleOct 2, 2025
  19. Patrick SteinhardtOct 7, 2025
  20. rsbecker@nexbridge.comOct 7, 2025
  21. Taylor BlauOct 8, 2025
  22. Patrick SteinhardtOct 9, 2025
  23. brian m. carlsonOct 16, 2025
  24. Taylor BlauOct 8, 2025
  25. brian m. carlsonOct 16, 2025
  26. brian m. carlsonOct 2, 2025
  27. Taylor BlauOct 1, 2025
  28. Michal SuchánekOct 1, 2025
  29. brian m. carlsonOct 1, 2025
  30. Michal SuchánekOct 2, 2025
  31. Michal SuchánekOct 2, 2025
  32. Junio C HamanoOct 1, 2025
  33. brian m. carlsonOct 1, 2025

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