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Re: [PATCH v3 5/5] doc: add technical design doc for large object promisors

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Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Date
Dec 16, 2024, 09:00 UTC
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On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 08:43:03PM +0900, Junio C Hamano wrote:
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> Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com> writes:
> > +In other words, the goal of this document is not to talk about all the
> > +possible ways to optimize how Git could handle large blobs, but to
> > +describe how a LOP based solution could work well and alleviate a
> > +number of current issues in the context of Git clients and servers
> > +sharing Git objects.
> 
> But if you do not discuss even a single way, and handwave "we'll
> have this magical object storage that would solve all the problems
> for us", then we cannot really tell if the problem is solved by us,
> or by handwaved away by assuming the magical object storage.  We'd
> need at least one working example.

It's something we're working on in parallel with the effort to slowly move towards pluggable object databases. We aren't yet totally clear on how exactly to store such objects, but there are a couple of ideas:

  - Store large objects verbatim in a separate path without any kind of
    compression at all. It solves the problem of wasting compute time
    during compression, but does not solve the problem of having to
    store blobs multiple times even if only a tiny part of them change.
  - Use a rolling hash function to split up large objects into smaller
    hunks that can be deduplicated. This solves the issue of only small
    parts of the binary file changing as we'd only have to store the
    hunk that has changed.

This has been discussed e.g. in [1], and I've been talking with some people about rolling hash functions.

In any case, getting to pluggale ODBs is likely a multi-year effort, so I wonder how detailed we should be in the context of the document here. We might want to mention that there are ideas and maybe even provide some pointers, but I think it makes sense to defer the technical discussion of how exactly this could look like to the future. Mostly because I think it's going to be a rather big discussion on its own.

Patrick
[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqbkdometi.fsf@gitster.g/
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Message 74 of 110 in “Introduce a "promisor-remote" capability”
  1. 0/4 Introduce a "promisor-remote" capabilityChristian Couder, Jul 31, 2024
  2. 1/4 version: refactor strbuf_sanitize()Christian Couder, Jul 31, 2024
  3. Junio C HamanoJul 31, 2024
  4. Christian CouderAug 20, 2024
  5. 2/4 strbuf: refactor strbuf_trim_trailing_ch()Christian Couder, Jul 31, 2024
  6. Junio C HamanoJul 31, 2024
  7. Taylor BlauJul 31, 2024
  8. Christian CouderAug 20, 2024
  9. Christian CouderAug 20, 2024
  10. 3/4 Add 'promisor-remote' capability to protocol v2Christian Couder, Jul 31, 2024
  11. Taylor BlauJul 31, 2024
  12. Christian CouderAug 20, 2024
  13. Junio C HamanoAug 20, 2024
  14. Christian CouderSep 10, 2024
  15. Taylor BlauJul 31, 2024
  16. Christian CouderAug 20, 2024
  17. Junio C HamanoAug 20, 2024
  18. Christian CouderSep 10, 2024
  19. Junio C HamanoSep 10, 2024
  20. Junio C HamanoJul 31, 2024
  21. Junio C HamanoJul 31, 2024
  22. Christian CouderAug 20, 2024
  23. Patrick SteinhardtAug 5, 2024
  24. Junio C HamanoAug 19, 2024
  25. Christian CouderSep 10, 2024
  26. 4/4 promisor-remote: check advertised name or URLChristian Couder, Jul 31, 2024
  27. Junio C HamanoJul 31, 2024
  28. Christian CouderSep 10, 2024
  29. Junio C HamanoJul 31, 2024
  30. Taylor BlauJul 31, 2024
  31. 0/4 Introduce a "promisor-remote" capabilityChristian Couder, Sep 10, 2024
  32. 1/4 version: refactor strbuf_sanitize()Christian Couder, Sep 10, 2024
  33. 2/4 strbuf: refactor strbuf_trim_trailing_ch()Christian Couder, Sep 10, 2024
  34. 3/4 Add 'promisor-remote' capability to protocol v2Christian Couder, Sep 10, 2024
  35. Patrick SteinhardtSep 30, 2024
  36. Christian CouderSep 30, 2024
  37. Patrick SteinhardtOct 1, 2024
  38. Junio C HamanoOct 1, 2024
  39. Patrick SteinhardtNov 6, 2024
  40. Junio C HamanoNov 28, 2024
  41. Christian CouderNov 28, 2024
  42. Junio C HamanoNov 29, 2024
  43. 4/4 promisor-remote: check advertised name or URLChristian Couder, Sep 10, 2024
  44. Patrick SteinhardtSep 30, 2024
  45. Junio C HamanoSep 26, 2024
  46. Christian CouderSep 27, 2024
  47. Junio C HamanoSep 27, 2024
  48. rsbecker@nexbridge.comSep 27, 2024
  49. Kristoffer HaugsbakkSep 28, 2024
  50. Patrick SteinhardtSep 30, 2024
  51. Christian CouderSep 30, 2024
  52. Junio C HamanoSep 30, 2024
  53. Patrick SteinhardtOct 1, 2024
  54. Junio C HamanoSep 30, 2024
  55. brian m. carlsonSep 30, 2024
  56. Junio C HamanoSep 30, 2024
  57. Patrick SteinhardtOct 1, 2024
  58. 0/5 Introduce a "promisor-remote" capabilityChristian Couder, Dec 6, 2024
  59. 1/5 version: refactor strbuf_sanitize()Christian Couder, Dec 6, 2024
  60. Junio C HamanoDec 7, 2024
  61. Christian CouderJan 27, 2025
  62. 2/5 strbuf: refactor strbuf_trim_trailing_ch()Christian Couder, Dec 6, 2024
  63. Junio C HamanoDec 7, 2024
  64. Christian CouderJan 27, 2025
  65. karthik nayakDec 16, 2024
  66. 3/5 Add 'promisor-remote' capability to protocol v2Christian Couder, Dec 6, 2024
  67. Junio C HamanoDec 7, 2024
  68. Christian CouderJan 27, 2025
  69. 4/5 promisor-remote: check advertised name or URLChristian Couder, Dec 6, 2024
  70. 5/5 doc: add technical design doc for large object promisorsChristian Couder, Dec 6, 2024
  71. Junio C HamanoDec 10, 2024
  72. Christian CouderJan 27, 2025
  73. Junio C HamanoDec 10, 2024
  74. Patrick SteinhardtDec 16, 2024
  75. Christian CouderJan 27, 2025
  76. Junio C HamanoJan 27, 2025
  77. Christian CouderFeb 18, 2025
  78. Junio C HamanoDec 9, 2024
  79. Christian CouderDec 9, 2024
  80. Christian CouderDec 9, 2024
  81. Junio C HamanoDec 9, 2024
  82. Christian CouderJan 27, 2025
  83. Junio C HamanoJan 27, 2025
  84. 0/6 Introduce a "promisor-remote" capabilityChristian Couder, Jan 27, 2025
  85. 1/6 version: replace manual ASCII checks with isprint() for clarityChristian Couder, Jan 27, 2025
  86. 2/6 version: refactor redact_non_printables()Christian Couder, Jan 27, 2025
  87. 3/6 version: make redact_non_printables() non-staticChristian Couder, Jan 27, 2025
  88. Patrick SteinhardtJan 30, 2025
  89. Christian CouderFeb 18, 2025
  90. 4/6 Add 'promisor-remote' capability to protocol v2Christian Couder, Jan 27, 2025
  91. Patrick SteinhardtJan 30, 2025
  92. Christian CouderFeb 18, 2025
  93. 5/6 promisor-remote: check advertised name or URLChristian Couder, Jan 27, 2025
  94. Junio C HamanoJan 27, 2025
  95. Junio C HamanoJan 28, 2025
  96. Patrick SteinhardtJan 30, 2025
  97. Christian CouderFeb 18, 2025
  98. Christian CouderFeb 18, 2025
  99. 6/6 doc: add technical design doc for large object promisorsChristian Couder, Jan 27, 2025
  100. Junio C HamanoJan 27, 2025
  101. Christian CouderFeb 18, 2025
  102. 0/3 Introduce a "promisor-remote" capabilityChristian Couder, Feb 18, 2025
  103. 1/3 Add 'promisor-remote' capability to protocol v2Christian Couder, Feb 18, 2025
  104. 2/3 promisor-remote: check advertised name or URLChristian Couder, Feb 18, 2025
  105. 3/3 doc: add technical design doc for large object promisorsChristian Couder, Feb 18, 2025
  106. Patrick SteinhardtFeb 21, 2025
  107. Junio C HamanoMar 3, 2025
  108. Junio C HamanoFeb 18, 2025
  109. Patrick SteinhardtFeb 21, 2025
  110. Junio C HamanoFeb 21, 2025

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