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Re: [PATCH v2 1/8] packfile: prepare for the existence of '*.rev' files

From
Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Date
Jan 14, 2021, 18:13 UTC
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:26:59PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:
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> Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> writes:
>
> > Specify the format of the on-disk reverse index 'pack-*.rev' file, as
> > well as prepare the code for the existence of such files.
>
> We've changed the pack .idx file format once as the file format is
> versioned.  I wonder if you considered placing the reverse index
> information in the same file, with version bump, in the .idx?

Funny enough, I couldn't remember whether I considered this or not. Peff reminded me off-list that he and I *had* considered this, but decided against it.

The main benefit to introducing a new '.rev' format is that we can have packs that can be upgraded to write a reverse index without having to rewrite their forward index. It would also allow us to avoid teaching other implementations about a new version of the index file (since they can ignore it and continue to build their equivalent of the reverse index file in memory by reading the forward index).

(Peff reminds me that dumb-http does look at remote .idx files, so this new format would leak across to clients, whether or not that's something to be concerned about...).

Of course, having the contents of the .rev file be included in the .idx file nets us one fewer file to manage, but I'm not sure that's a reason to do things one way or another.

Your response did pique my interest, since I was wondering if we could improve the cold cache performance if the .rev file's contents were included in the .idx, but after giving it some thought I don't think we can. Reasons are:

  - If the reverse index's contents appears at the end of the .idx file,
    then in any .idx file large enough to matter, we'll almost certainly
    still be evicting cache lines back and forth when swapping between
    reading the forward- and reverse-indexes. So, no gains to be had
    there.
  - If, on the other hand, we included the reverse index's contents by
    interleaving it with the forward index's offsets, then we'd be
    worsening the cache performance of the forward index.

So, I'm more in favor of a new .rev file rather than a v3 .idx version. Apologies for not including more of a rationale "why" in the cover letter (had I not forgotten that I'd even considered it, I would have).

Thanks, Taylor

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Message 26 of 82 in “pack-revindex: introduce on-disk '.rev' format”
  1. 0/8 pack-revindex: introduce on-disk '.rev' formatTaylor Blau, Jan 8, 2021
  2. 2/8 pack-write.c: prepare to write 'pack-*.rev' filesTaylor Blau, Jan 8, 2021
  3. 8/8 pack-revindex: ensure that on-disk reverse indexes are given precedenceTaylor Blau, Jan 8, 2021
  4. 3/8 builtin/index-pack.c: write reverse indexesTaylor Blau, Jan 8, 2021
  5. 1/8 packfile: prepare for the existence of '*.rev' filesTaylor Blau, Jan 8, 2021
  6. 4/8 builtin/pack-objects.c: respect 'pack.writeReverseIndex'Taylor Blau, Jan 8, 2021
  7. 7/8 t: support GIT_TEST_WRITE_REV_INDEXTaylor Blau, Jan 8, 2021
  8. Derrick StoleeJan 12, 2021
  9. Taylor BlauJan 12, 2021
  10. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonJan 12, 2021
  11. Derrick StoleeJan 12, 2021
  12. Taylor BlauJan 12, 2021
  13. 6/8 t: prepare for GIT_TEST_WRITE_REV_INDEXTaylor Blau, Jan 8, 2021
  14. Ævar Arnfjörð BjarmasonJan 12, 2021
  15. Taylor BlauJan 12, 2021
  16. 5/8 Documentation/config/pack.txt: advertise 'pack.writeReverseIndex'Taylor Blau, Jan 8, 2021
  17. 0/8 pack-revindex: introduce on-disk '.rev' formatTaylor Blau, Jan 13, 2021
  18. 8/8 pack-revindex: ensure that on-disk reverse indexes are given precedenceTaylor Blau, Jan 13, 2021
  19. 6/8 t: prepare for GIT_TEST_WRITE_REV_INDEXTaylor Blau, Jan 13, 2021
  20. 1/8 packfile: prepare for the existence of '*.rev' filesTaylor Blau, Jan 13, 2021
  21. Junio C HamanoJan 14, 2021
  22. Derrick StoleeJan 14, 2021
  23. Jeff KingJan 14, 2021
  24. Taylor BlauJan 14, 2021
  25. Junio C HamanoJan 14, 2021
  26. Taylor BlauJan 14, 2021
  27. Junio C HamanoJan 14, 2021
  28. Jeff KingJan 22, 2021
  29. Taylor BlauJan 25, 2021
  30. Jeff KingJan 25, 2021
  31. Junio C HamanoJan 25, 2021
  32. Taylor BlauJan 25, 2021
  33. 5/8 Documentation/config/pack.txt: advertise 'pack.writeReverseIndex'Taylor Blau, Jan 13, 2021
  34. 4/8 builtin/pack-objects.c: respect 'pack.writeReverseIndex'Taylor Blau, Jan 13, 2021
  35. Jeff KingJan 22, 2021
  36. Jeff KingJan 23, 2021
  37. Taylor BlauJan 25, 2021
  38. Jeff KingJan 25, 2021
  39. 2/8 pack-write.c: prepare to write 'pack-*.rev' filesTaylor Blau, Jan 13, 2021
  40. Jeff KingJan 22, 2021
  41. Taylor BlauJan 25, 2021
  42. Jeff KingJan 26, 2021
  43. 7/8 t: support GIT_TEST_WRITE_REV_INDEXTaylor Blau, Jan 13, 2021
  44. 3/8 builtin/index-pack.c: write reverse indexesTaylor Blau, Jan 13, 2021
  45. Jeff KingJan 22, 2021
  46. Taylor BlauJan 25, 2021
  47. 00/10 pack-revindex: introduce on-disk '.rev' formatTaylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  48. 01/10 packfile: prepare for the existence of '*.rev' filesTaylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  49. Jeff KingJan 29, 2021
  50. Taylor BlauJan 29, 2021
  51. Jeff KingJan 30, 2021
  52. 08/10 t: support GIT_TEST_WRITE_REV_INDEXTaylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  53. Jeff KingJan 29, 2021
  54. 07/10 t: prepare for GIT_TEST_WRITE_REV_INDEXTaylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  55. Jeff KingJan 29, 2021
  56. Eric SunshineJan 29, 2021
  57. Taylor BlauJan 29, 2021
  58. Jeff KingJan 30, 2021
  59. Junio C HamanoJan 29, 2021
  60. 05/10 builtin/pack-objects.c: respect 'pack.writeReverseIndex'Taylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  61. 09/10 pack-revindex: ensure that on-disk reverse indexes are given precedenceTaylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  62. Jeff KingJan 29, 2021
  63. Taylor BlauJan 29, 2021
  64. Jeff KingJan 30, 2021
  65. 10/10 t5325: check both on-disk and in-memory reverse indexTaylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  66. Jeff KingJan 29, 2021
  67. Jeff KingJan 29, 2021
  68. Taylor BlauJan 29, 2021
  69. Jeff KingJan 30, 2021
  70. 06/10 Documentation/config/pack.txt: advertise 'pack.writeReverseIndex'Taylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  71. Jeff KingJan 29, 2021
  72. Taylor BlauJan 29, 2021
  73. Jeff KingJan 30, 2021
  74. 02/10 pack-write.c: prepare to write 'pack-*.rev' filesTaylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  75. 04/10 builtin/index-pack.c: write reverse indexesTaylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  76. 03/10 builtin/index-pack.c: allow stripping arbitrary extensionsTaylor Blau, Jan 25, 2021
  77. Jeff KingJan 29, 2021
  78. Taylor BlauJan 29, 2021
  79. Junio C HamanoJan 26, 2021
  80. Taylor BlauJan 26, 2021
  81. Jeff KingJan 29, 2021
  82. Taylor BlauJan 29, 2021

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