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Re: [RFC PATCH v2 7/7] git-rebase: make --allow-empty-message the default

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Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
Date
Jun 20, 2018, 16:47 UTC
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Hi Phillip,
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Phillip Wood <phillip.wood@talktalk.net> wrote:
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> Looking at the option parsing in git-rebase.sh it appears that it does not
> check for --no-allow-empty-message so there's no way to turn off the default
> for those modes that support it. I'm not sure what to think of this change,
> I'm slightly uneasy with changing to default to be different from
> cherry-pick, though one could argue rebasing is a different operation and
> just keeping the existing messages even if they are empty is more
> appropriate and having all the rebase modes do the default to the same
> behaviour is definitely an improvement.
>

Here's my extended rationale for why to change the default for rebase -i/-m (and _maybe_ also for cherry-pick):

First, commits with an empty commit message are fairly rare, so it's hard to gather that much data on; we're dealing with out-liers. That also means that folks who have touched the area in the past probably weren't dealing with full information either; they just tweaked what was already there.

It makes sense that git-commit would default to not allowing empty commit messages without a flag. We'd like to warn against that kind of poor practice. However, that implicitly means that commands which build on top of git-commit might copy that default even when it doesn't make sense. So it's not at all clear to me that cherry-pick or rebase -i/-m should have the same default. They do, but that may have been entirely accidental. And when someone comes along and notices the problematic default of stopping with empty commit messages, they assume it was intended and add a flag to change it, as happened for both commands.

On the other hand git-am was designed from the workflow of applying many patches from the beginning, and has a different default. am-based rebases copy that default of silently applying commits with empty commit messages; it may not be clear that rebase should copy the default from am, but it does. Yet, despite the fact that ignoring empty commit messages is the default backend for rebases, and thus is likely used more than the other rebase backends, no one has ever submitted a patch to add a flag to rebase to get the opposite behavior. To me, this argues pretty strongly that not only is ignoring empty messages the right default, that it's a waste of time to implement a flag (e.g. --no-allow-empty-message) providing the opposite behavior for rebases.

It is obvious that one of the two rebase backends have the wrong default, because they should have the same default as each other. I am inclined to believe, based on the above logic, that am-based rebase has the correct default. I also suspect that cherry-pick has the wrong default, though it's not as cut-and-dry since it doesn't have multiple backends with conflicting defaults.

Does that make sense?  Am I overlooking anything important?
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Message 30 of 130 in “RFC: rebase inconsistency in 2.18 -- course of action?”
  1. Elijah NewrenJun 7, 2018
  2. t3401: add directory rename testcases for rebase and amElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  3. Elijah NewrenJun 25, 2018
  4. apply: fix grammar error in commentElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  5. t5407: fix test to cover intended argumentsElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  6. git-rebase--merge: modernize "git-$cmd" to "git $cmd"Elijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  7. Elijah NewrenJun 7, 2018
  8. git-rebase--merge: modernize "git-$cmd" to "git $cmd"Elijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  9. Johannes SchindelinJul 12, 2018
  10. Elijah NewrenJul 13, 2018
  11. Johannes SchindelinJul 14, 2018
  12. 1/2 t3422: new testcases for checking when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  13. 2/2 git-rebase: error out when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  14. Phillip WoodJun 10, 2018
  15. Elijah NewrenJun 11, 2018
  16. Phillip WoodJun 11, 2018
  17. Elijah NewrenJun 11, 2018
  18. Phillip WoodJun 12, 2018
  19. 0/7 Document/fix/warn about rebase incompatibilities and inconsistencesElijah Newren, Jun 17, 2018
  20. 1/7 git-rebase.txt: document incompatible optionsElijah Newren, Jun 17, 2018
  21. Phillip WoodJun 17, 2018
  22. Elijah NewrenJun 20, 2018
  23. Eric SunshineJun 17, 2018
  24. Elijah NewrenJun 20, 2018
  25. 2/7 git-rebase.sh: update help messages a bitElijah Newren, Jun 17, 2018
  26. 3/7 t3422: new testcases for checking when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 17, 2018
  27. 4/7 git-rebase: error out when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 17, 2018
  28. 7/7 git-rebase: make --allow-empty-message the defaultElijah Newren, Jun 17, 2018
  29. Phillip WoodJun 17, 2018
  30. Elijah NewrenJun 20, 2018
  31. 6/7 git-rebase.txt: address confusion between --no-ff vs --force-rebaseElijah Newren, Jun 17, 2018
  32. 5/7 git-rebase.txt: document behavioral inconsistencies between modesElijah Newren, Jun 17, 2018
  33. Phillip WoodJun 17, 2018
  34. 0/7 Document/fix/warn about rebase incompatibilities and inconsistenciesElijah Newren, Jun 21, 2018
  35. 7/7 git-rebase: make --allow-empty-message the defaultElijah Newren, Jun 21, 2018
  36. 3/7 t3422: new testcases for checking when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 21, 2018
  37. Junio C HamanoJun 21, 2018
  38. Elijah NewrenJun 21, 2018
  39. Eric SunshineJun 21, 2018
  40. 2/7 git-rebase.sh: update help messages a bitElijah Newren, Jun 21, 2018
  41. Junio C HamanoJun 21, 2018
  42. Elijah NewrenJun 21, 2018
  43. 5/7 git-rebase.txt: document behavioral inconsistencies between modesElijah Newren, Jun 21, 2018
  44. Junio C HamanoJun 21, 2018
  45. Elijah NewrenJun 21, 2018
  46. 1/7 git-rebase.txt: document incompatible optionsElijah Newren, Jun 21, 2018
  47. Junio C HamanoJun 21, 2018
  48. Elijah NewrenJun 21, 2018
  49. SZEDER GáborJun 22, 2018
  50. 4/7 git-rebase: error out when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 21, 2018
  51. Junio C HamanoJun 21, 2018
  52. Elijah NewrenJun 21, 2018
  53. 6/7 git-rebase.txt: address confusion between --no-ff vs --force-rebaseElijah Newren, Jun 21, 2018
  54. Junio C HamanoJun 21, 2018
  55. Elijah NewrenJun 21, 2018
  56. 0/9 Document/fix/warn about rebase incompatibilities and inconsistenciesElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  57. 3/9 t3422: new testcases for checking when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  58. Junio C HamanoJun 26, 2018
  59. Elijah NewrenJun 27, 2018
  60. 2/9 git-rebase.sh: update help messages a bitElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  61. 5/9 git-rebase.txt: address confusion between --no-ff vs --force-rebaseElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  62. 9/9 git-rebase: make --allow-empty-message the defaultElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  63. 8/9 t3401: add directory rename testcases for rebase and amElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  64. 7/9 git-rebase.txt: document behavioral differences between modesElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  65. 1/9 git-rebase.txt: document incompatible optionsElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  66. 6/9 directory-rename-detection.txt: technical docs on abilities and limitationsElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  67. 4/9 git-rebase: error out when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 25, 2018
  68. 0/9 Document/fix/warn about rebase incompatibilities and inconsistenciesElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  69. 2/9 git-rebase.sh: update help messages a bitElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  70. 1/9 git-rebase.txt: document incompatible optionsElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  71. 7/9 git-rebase.txt: document behavioral differences between modesElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  72. 9/9 git-rebase: make --allow-empty-message the defaultElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  73. 2.19.0 regression: leaving editor with empty commit message doesn't stop rebase [was: Re: [RFC PATCH v5 9/9] git-rebase: make --allow-empty-message the default]SZEDER Gábor, Sep 12, 2018
  74. Elijah NewrenSep 12, 2018
  75. sequencer: fix --allow-empty-message behavior, make it smarterElijah Newren, Sep 12, 2018
  76. Junio C HamanoSep 13, 2018
  77. 6/9 directory-rename-detection.txt: technical docs on abilities and limitationsElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  78. 8/9 t3401: add directory rename testcases for rebase and amElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  79. 4/9 git-rebase: error out when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  80. 5/9 git-rebase.txt: address confusion between --no-ff vs --force-rebaseElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  81. 3/9 t3422: new testcases for checking when incompatible options passedElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  82. Phillip WoodJun 29, 2018
  83. git-rebase.sh: handle keep-empty like all other optionsElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  84. Phillip WoodJun 10, 2018
  85. Elijah NewrenJun 11, 2018
  86. Phillip WoodJun 11, 2018
  87. Elijah NewrenJun 11, 2018
  88. Phillip WoodJun 12, 2018
  89. 1/2 t3418: add testcase showing problems with rebase -i and strategy optionsElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  90. 2/2 Fix use of strategy options with interactive rebasesElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  91. 0/2 Fix use of strategy options with interactive rebasesElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  92. 1/2 t3418: add testcase showing problems with rebase -i and strategy optionsElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  93. Eric SunshineJun 27, 2018
  94. Elijah NewrenJun 27, 2018
  95. Junio C HamanoJun 27, 2018
  96. Elijah NewrenJun 27, 2018
  97. Johannes SixtJun 27, 2018
  98. Eric SunshineJun 27, 2018
  99. SZEDER GáborJun 27, 2018
  100. Junio C HamanoJun 27, 2018
  101. Junio C HamanoJun 27, 2018
  102. 2/2 Fix use of strategy options with interactive rebasesElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  103. 0/2 Fix use of strategy options with interactive rebasesElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  104. 2/2 Fix use of strategy options with interactive rebasesElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  105. Johannes SchindelinJul 12, 2018
  106. Elijah NewrenJul 13, 2018
  107. 1/2 t3418: add testcase showing problems with rebase -i and strategy optionsElijah Newren, Jun 27, 2018
  108. SZEDER GáborJun 27, 2018
  109. SZEDER GáborJul 11, 2018
  110. Elijah NewrenJul 11, 2018
  111. 0/3 Send more rebases through interactive machineryElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  112. 1/3 git-rebase, sequencer: add a --quiet option for the interactive machineryElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  113. Johannes SchindelinJun 9, 2018
  114. Elijah NewrenJun 9, 2018
  115. 3/3 git-rebase.sh: make git-rebase--interactive the defaultElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  116. Johannes SchindelinJun 9, 2018
  117. Elijah NewrenJun 10, 2018
  118. Johannes SchindelinJun 17, 2018
  119. Elijah NewrenJun 20, 2018
  120. Johannes SchindelinJun 21, 2018
  121. Elijah NewrenJun 21, 2018
  122. Johannes SchindelinJan 21, 2019
  123. Elijah NewrenJan 21, 2019
  124. Johannes SchindelinJan 22, 2019
  125. 2/3 rebase: Implement --merge via git-rebase--interactiveElijah Newren, Jun 7, 2018
  126. Johannes SchindelinJun 9, 2018
  127. Elijah NewrenJun 10, 2018
  128. Phillip WoodJun 11, 2018
  129. Junio C HamanoJun 11, 2018
  130. Elijah NewrenJun 11, 2018

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