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Re: [PATCH v2 02/14] pull: improve default warning

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Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
Date
Dec 5, 2020, 16:28 UTC
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:56 PM Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:56 PM Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Felipe,
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 4:12 PM Felipe Contreras
> > <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:00 PM Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:16 PM Felipe Contreras
> > > > <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
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> > > > > +                       "You can squelch this message by running one of the following commands:\n"
> > > > > +                       "\n"
> > > > > +                       "  git config pull.rebase false  # merge (the default strategy)\n"
> > > >
> > > > Should this be labelled as the default given the desire to make
> > > > --ff-only the default?  Perhaps I'm jumping ahead and you plan to
> > > > change that later in this series.
> > >
> > > That's right.
> > >
> > > In the previous series which does indeed make "pull.mode=ff-only" the
> > > default [1], I do change the warning to specify the future default
> > > [2], but in that series the warnings is changed to:
> > >
> > >   The pull was not fast-forward, in the future you will have to choose
> > > a merge, or a rebase.
> > >   To squelch this message and maintain the current behavior, use:
> > >
> > >     git config --global pull.mode merge
> > >
> > >   To squelch this message and adopt the new behavior now, use:
> > >
> > >     git config --global push.mode ff-only
> > >
> > >   Falling back to old style for now (merge).
> > >   Read "git pull --help" for more information.
> > >
> > > Since that series didn't get any traction, I decided to only implement
> > > step 1: fix the current situation. And later on another series would
> > > do step 2: introduce "pull.mode=ff-only" and do the preparations to
> > > make it the default.
> >
> > I like this longer plan.
>
> Yeah. It's a better plan, just more work for me.
>
> > However, on the shorter scale plan...I think
> > the suggestion to use "git pull --no-rebase" makes the current
> > situation worse rather than fixing it.
>
> Well, I already said I partly agree with you: in the --ff-only case
> the suggestion should not be brought forward.
>
> But in the "git pull" default case, *today* it's doing a merge. If
> uttering --merge and thus making the current behavior explicit instead
> of implicit seems dangerous it's because it is. But not documenting it
> doesn't make it any less dangerous.

Sounds like we agree that the future should be ff-only-as-default. I also agree with you that the primary problem is the current default behavior, and I'll agree with you that documenting the current default is okay. However, I disagree that your wording here:

+                       "If unsure, run \"git pull --no-rebase\".\n"

does anything of the sort. It does not mention that this is the default behavior the users would get if they provided no flags. More importantly, it makes a recommendation...and one that undercuts the point of the message. It makes it feel like the message shouldn't exist at all in any circumstances. I even suspect that adding that sentence may undercut any efforts towards changing the default to ff-only-as-default. While I'm a big fan of most of what you've done in this series, I will object to its merging for as long as this stays. (I definitely don't have veto power or anything close to it, just stating what my opinion is.)

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Message 17 of 79 in “pull: default warning improvements”
  1. 00/14 pull: default warning improvementsFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  2. 03/14 pull: refactor fast-forward checkFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  3. 04/14 pull: cleanup autostash checkFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  4. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  5. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  6. Elijah NewrenDec 5, 2020
  7. 01/14 doc: pull: explain what is a fast-forwardFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  8. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  9. Jacob KellerDec 5, 2020
  10. 02/14 pull: improve default warningFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  11. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  12. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  13. Elijah NewrenDec 5, 2020
  14. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  15. Chris TorekDec 5, 2020
  16. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  17. Elijah NewrenDec 5, 2020
  18. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  19. Elijah NewrenDec 6, 2020
  20. Felipe ContrerasDec 6, 2020
  21. Junio C HamanoDec 7, 2020
  22. Felipe ContrerasDec 7, 2020
  23. Junio C HamanoDec 7, 2020
  24. Felipe ContrerasDec 7, 2020
  25. Junio C HamanoDec 7, 2020
  26. Felipe ContrerasDec 7, 2020
  27. Jacob KellerDec 7, 2020
  28. Junio C HamanoDec 8, 2020
  29. Felipe ContrerasDec 8, 2020
  30. Junio C HamanoDec 8, 2020
  31. Felipe ContrerasDec 9, 2020
  32. Elijah NewrenDec 9, 2020
  33. Felipe ContrerasDec 10, 2020
  34. Junio C HamanoDec 10, 2020
  35. Felipe ContrerasDec 10, 2020
  36. Felipe ContrerasDec 10, 2020
  37. Junio C HamanoDec 11, 2020
  38. Felipe ContrerasDec 11, 2020
  39. Junio C HamanoDec 14, 2020
  40. Felipe ContrerasDec 14, 2020
  41. Junio C HamanoDec 14, 2020
  42. Felipe ContrerasDec 15, 2020
  43. Jeff KingDec 15, 2020
  44. Felipe ContrerasDec 15, 2020
  45. Junio C HamanoDec 15, 2020
  46. Felipe ContrerasDec 15, 2020
  47. Felipe ContrerasDec 7, 2020
  48. 06/14 pull: move default warningFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  49. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  50. Felipe ContrerasDec 4, 2020
  51. 05/14 pull: trivial cleanupFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  52. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  53. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  54. 08/14 pull: trivial whitespace style fixFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  55. 10/14 pull: add proper error with --ff-onlyFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  56. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  57. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  58. 12/14 pull: show warning with --ffFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  59. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  60. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  61. 14/14 test: pull-options: revert unnecessary changesFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  62. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  63. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  64. 13/14 test: merge-pull-config: trivial cleanupFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  65. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  66. 11/14 tentative: pull: change the semantics of --ff-onlyFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  67. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  68. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  69. experiment: pull: change --ff-only and default modeFelipe Contreras, Dec 5, 2020
  70. Elijah NewrenDec 5, 2020
  71. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  72. Junio C HamanoDec 7, 2020
  73. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  74. 07/14 pull: display default warning only when non-ffFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  75. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  76. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020
  77. 09/14 pull: introduce --merge optionFelipe Contreras, Dec 4, 2020
  78. Elijah NewrenDec 4, 2020
  79. Felipe ContrerasDec 5, 2020

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