Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git v2.0.0

From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Date: May 29, 2014, 18:53 UTC
Message-ID: <20140529185311.GB10865@sigill.intra.peff.net>
In-Reply-To: <53866e8562b7a_12a7a052f87a@nysa.notmuch>

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 06:17:25PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote:

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> This is the last mail I sent to you, because you ignore them anyway, and
> remove them from the mailing list.
> [...]
> [2], a mail you conveniently removed from the tracked record.
> [...]
> You also conveniently removed this mail from the archives.

I see you already noticed the changes in v2.0, but I wanted to address these points, because I consider silent censorship to be a serious accusation.

I do not think Junio or anyone else has the technical ability to remove messages from the archive. There is not one archive, but rather several that get messages straight from vger.kernel.org and keep their own database (e.g., gmane, marc, spinics, nabble). E.g., here is the "deleted" message on nabble:

  http://git.661346.n2.nabble.com/PATCH-remote-helpers-point-at-their-upstream-repositories-td7610799i20.html#a7611324

Here it is on gmane:

  http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/249741

However, I had to pull that link from the NNTP interface. If you look at the non-threaded web interface for gmane here:

  http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/day=20140520

and here:

  http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/day=20140521

you will see that there is a huge gap in the list coverage from about midnight on the 20th until the 24th (but these messages are available via nntp). So this seems much more like a gmane bug than anything else.

I've reported the bug to gmane.discuss (no link yet, as I'm waiting for the message to go through, but it is not a high traffic group, so it should be easy to find the thread once it is there).

-Peff