Re: [RFC v2] Git User's Survey 2008
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Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
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- Aug 21, 2008, 01:30 UTC
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Junio C Hamano wrote:
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> Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com> writes: > > > This is second revision (version) of proposed questions > > for Git User's Survey 2008. > > Very nicely done.
Thanks
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> > Getting started with GIT > > > > xx. How did you hear about Git? > > (single choice?, in 2007 it was free-form) > > - Linux kernel news (LKML, LWN, KernelTrap, KernelTraffic,...), > > news site or magazine, blog entry, some project uses it, > > presentation or seminar (real life, not on-line), SCM research, > > IRC, mailing list, told by friend, word of mouth (off-line), > > other Internet, must be used at job, other off-line, other(*) > > + the problem is with having not very long list (not too many > > choices), but spanning all possibilities. > > + is this question interesting/important to have in survey? > > I'd say this is more interesting than "what programming language do > you speak".
Perhaps.
I've had some trouble with coming with a list of answers, because I wanted to have as few free-form questions as possible.
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> > xx. Which Git version(s) are you using? > > (zero or more, multiple choice: > > one can use different versions on different machines) > > - pre 1.3, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, master, next > > + might be important when checking "what did you find hardest" etc. > > This is a very good idea. "What is hardest" grouped by "How proficient > are you with git".
Errr... I didn't add "How proficient are you with git?" question to Git User's Survey 2008, but I think I would.
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> > Other SCMs (shortened compared with 2007 survey) > > > > xx. What other SCM did or do you use? > > ! (zero or more: multiple choice) > > (matrix with the following columns: never/used it/still use) > > "Plan to use"?
Hmmm...
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> > - SCCS, RCS, CVS, Subversion, Arch or clone (ArX, tla, ...), > > Bazaar-NG, Darcs, Mercurial, Monotone, SVK, AccuRev, Perforce, > > BitKeeper, ClearCase, MS Visual Source Safe, MS Visual Studio > > Team System, PVCS, custom, other (please specify) > > With this number of "other systems", it is easier to pick if they are > sorted alphabetically.
There is some order to this... and as there is, as far as I can see, easy way to reorder _answers_ in a question on Survs (as opposed to reordering questions), I think I would keep it in current (dis)order.
> > How you use Git > > > > xx. Which (main) git web interface do you use for your projects?
It is currently on Survs
xx. Which git web interface do you use for your projects/have installed?
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> > (zero or more: multiple choice) > > - gitweb, cgit, wit (Ruby), git-php, viewgit (PHP), Gitorious, > > other (please specify) > > You have reworded this question on the site but it has typo "Unless of > cours you are hosting..." (s/cours y/course y/).
Thanks, corrected.
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> > xx. How do you publish/propagate your changes? > > (zero or more: multiple choice) > > - push, pull request, format-patch + email, bundle, > > git-svn, foreign SCM (not via git-svn), > > other (see also below) > > cvsexportcommit?
This I think fits in "foreign SCM"; well, git-svn is also "foreign SCM", but as it seems most popular I kept it separate.
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> > xx. If the way you publish your changes is not mentioned above, how > > do you publish your changes? Please explain. > > (free form, either input field or textarea) > > xx. How often do you use the following forms of git commands or extra > > git tools? > > (matrix form: never/rare/often) > > "never, rarely, *sometimes*, often"?
My idea was to have minimal number of possible choices, to make it easier on the responder to select appropriate answer. 'Never' is I think obvious, 'often' was to meant that it is incorporated in one's workflow, and 'rare' is in between. Nevertheless I guess that having four columns doesn't make it that much harder.
Changed.
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> > . git add -i / -p > > . git add -u > > . git am > > . git am -i > > . git apply > > "apply --whitespace=fix"?
Done.
> > . git cvsserver > > "git daemon" and "git daemon (pushing enabled)" as separate items.
Done.
> > . git ... --dirstat > > "diff --check"?
Hmmm... does anybody have it as part of his/her workflow? What I mean is to ask if there is anybody for whom the answer would be 'often'.
Currently not added, but it can be.
> > . git pull > > "pull --rebase"?
Good catch. Added.
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> > . git pull <remote> > > . git pull <URL> <ref> > > . git push > > Separate "(empty) vs <remote> vs <URL> <refspec>" entries for "git push"? > Also for "git fetch"?
I'm not sure if distinguish between "git pull" and "git pull <remote>", and I'd rather limit number of possible responses. Note that "git pull <URL> <ref>" works *differently*, as it doesn't use remote-tracking branch.
> > . git stash > > "git stash pop"? > "git stash save --keep-index"?
Added the second one. Good catch, thanks.
> > + in what order should be those commands; currently they are in > > alphabetical order? > > That is the most sensible.
I was thinking about dividing them line on git(1) manpage; this would be useful in dealing with 50-replies limit on Survs (it would be nice to have it explicitly mentioned somewhere), which made it a bit harder to add new suggestions.
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> > xx. Which of the following features do you use? > > (zero or more: multiple choice) > > - git-gui or other commit tool, gitk or other history viewer, patch > > management interface (e.g. StGIT), bundle, eol conversion (crlf), > > gitattributes, submodules, separate worktree, reflog, stash, > > If you single out "eol conversion", perhaps separate "whitespace > attributes" out of generic "gitattributes"?
eol conversion is not only attributes, but also two config variables (core.autocrlf and core.safecrlf).
> s/separate worktree/& (git-new-workdir)/;
Or core.worktree.
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> > Documentation > > > > xx. What could be improved on the Git homepage? > > (free form) > > xx. What could be improved in Git documentation? > > (free form) > > "What can/will you do to help improve them?"?
Good idea. I have added this, separately for each question...
...but now I'm not sure if not remove it.
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> > Translating Git > > > > xx. What is your preferred non-programming language? > > (or) What is the language you want computer communicate with you? > > xx. What do you need/want to have translated? > > (zero or more, multiple choice) > > - commands messages, manpages, manual & tutorial etc., > > technical documentation, HOWTOs, git homepage, git wiki, > > git-gui/gitk, subcommands and long option names > > LOL on the last one ;-) Please keep it --- we may find amusing results.
Yeah, that was me making with the funny. "git Eintragen", anyone?
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> > Getting help, staying in touch > > > > xx. Have you tried to get Git help from other people? > > - yes/no > > xx. What channel did you use to request help? > > (zero or more: multiple choice) > > - git mailing list, git users group, IRC, blog post, > > asking git guru/colleague, other > > You have "IRC (#git)". Perhaps a separate item "IRC (#github)"?
Good catch. If we are separating git mailing list and user's group (Google Group) it would be nice to distinguish IRC channels.
Added.
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> > Open forum > > > > xx. What other comments or suggestions do you have that are not > > covered by the questions above? > > (free form) > > xx. Should such a survey be repeated next year? > > - yes/no/no opinion > > "Such a", meaning "This"?
Yes. Now it reads:
58. Should Git User's Survey be repeated next year?
-- Jakub Narebski Poland