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Re: Merge with git-pasky II.

From
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Date
Apr 15, 2005, 14:53 UTC
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<Pine.LNX.4.58.0504150740310.7211@ppc970.osdl.org>
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<1113556448.12012.269.camel@baythorne.infradead.org>
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, David Woodhouse wrote:
> 
> I suspect that finding the common commit is actually a per-file thing;
> it's not just something you do for the _commit_ graph, then use for
> merging each file in the two branches you're trying to merge.
I disagree.

Conceptually, you should never do _anything_ on a file level. Why? Because individual files don't matter. You shouldn't merge two files cleanly just because they look fine - they _depend_ on the other files in the archive, and that's quite fundamentally why per-file tracking is really wrong from a project standpoint.

So if you can't merge two files cleanly because the "project" history ended up being further back than the "file" history, then that's a _good_ thing. You don't know what the hell happened to the other files that this file depended on. Merging one file independently of the others is WRONG.

Also, I suspect that you'll find that if you do cross-merges, you'll basically always end up in:

> (I think it's a coincidence that in my example the useful files 'A2' and
> 'B2' actually do end up in a single tree together at some point.)

nope, I don't think that's coincidence. I think that's the normal case. Your file-based history is the one that can _incorrectly_ and coincidentally happen to have a single file at some point, but since that file doesn't stand alone, that's really not a fundamentally good reason to merge it.

Really, this "individual files matter" approach is a _disease_. They don't. Individual files DO NOT EXIST. Files always exist as part of the project, and the _only_ time you track a single file is when the project is a single file (and then that will be very very obvious in a git archive, thank you very much).

So the single-file mentality is a disease brought on by decades of _crap_. And by the fact that it ends up limiting the problem scope, so you can do certain things easier.

For example, just doing intra-file diffs is a lot _easier_ and less time-consuming than doing inter-file diffs. Bit it is _absolutely_ not better. In fact, it is clearly inferior to anybody who spends even five seconds thinking about it - yet we still do it, because of the historical (and INCORRECT) mindset that "files matter".

Files DO NOT matter. Never have. It's an implementation limitation to think they do. You'll screw yourself up, and when somebody comes up with a half-way efficient way to generate inter-fiel diffs, your architecture is totally and utterly unable to handle it.

I don't care what you do at an SCM level, and if the crud you put on top of git wants to perpetuate mistakes of yesteryear, that's _your_ issue. But dammit, git is designed to do the right thing, and I will fight tooth and nail against anybody who thinks individual files matter.

		Linus
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  1. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  2. Christopher LiApr 13, 2005
  3. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  4. Christopher LiApr 13, 2005
  5. Linus TorvaldsApr 14, 2005
  6. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  7. Paul JacksonApr 14, 2005
  8. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  9. Paul JacksonApr 14, 2005
  10. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  11. Linus TorvaldsApr 14, 2005
  12. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  13. Linus TorvaldsApr 14, 2005
  14. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  15. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  16. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  17. Linus TorvaldsApr 14, 2005
  18. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  19. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  20. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  21. Barry SilvermanApr 15, 2005
  22. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  23. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  24. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  25. C. Scott AnanianApr 15, 2005
  26. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  27. Johannes SchindelinApr 16, 2005
  28. David WoodhouseApr 17, 2005
  29. Paul JacksonApr 15, 2005
  30. Simon FowlerApr 16, 2005
  31. David LangApr 16, 2005
  32. Simon FowlerApr 16, 2005
  33. Petr BaudisApr 16, 2005
  34. Simon FowlerApr 16, 2005
  35. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  36. David LangApr 16, 2005
  37. Ingo MolnarApr 17, 2005
  38. Brad RobertsApr 17, 2005
  39. Ingo MolnarApr 17, 2005
  40. Ingo MolnarApr 17, 2005
  41. Linus TorvaldsApr 17, 2005
  42. Herbert XuApr 17, 2005
  43. Linus TorvaldsApr 17, 2005
  44. Herbert XuApr 17, 2005
  45. Petr BaudisApr 17, 2005
  46. Kenneth JohanssonApr 17, 2005
  47. Herbert XuApr 18, 2005
  48. Petr BaudisApr 18, 2005
  49. Linus TorvaldsApr 17, 2005
  50. Sanjoy MahajanApr 18, 2005
  51. Ingo MolnarApr 18, 2005
  52. Sanjoy MahajanApr 16, 2005
  53. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  54. ls-tree enhancementsJunio C Hamano, Apr 15, 2005
  55. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  56. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  57. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  58. Ingo MolnarApr 15, 2005
  59. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  60. Ingo MolnarApr 15, 2005
  61. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  62. Johannes SchindelinApr 15, 2005
  63. Theodore Ts'oApr 15, 2005
  64. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  65. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  66. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  67. Paul JacksonApr 15, 2005
  68. C. Scott AnanianApr 15, 2005
  69. Paul JacksonApr 15, 2005
  70. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  71. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  72. Live Merging from remote repositoriesBarry Silverman, Apr 14, 2005
  73. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  74. Question about git process modelBarry Silverman, Apr 15, 2005
  75. Erik van KonijnenburgApr 14, 2005
  76. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  77. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  78. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  79. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  80. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  81. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  82. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  83. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  84. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  85. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  86. Christopher LiApr 15, 2005
  87. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  88. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  89. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  90. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  91. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  92. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  93. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  94. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  95. git mergePetr Baudis, Apr 14, 2005
  96. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  97. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  98. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  99. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  100. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  101. Daniel BarkalowApr 16, 2005
  102. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  103. Daniel BarkalowApr 16, 2005
  104. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  105. Daniel BarkalowApr 16, 2005
  106. Paul JacksonApr 16, 2005
  107. Petr BaudisApr 16, 2005
  108. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  109. C. Scott AnanianApr 15, 2005
  110. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  111. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  112. 1/2 merge-trees script for Linus gitJunio C Hamano, Apr 15, 2005
  113. 2/2 merge-trees script for Linus gitJunio C Hamano, Apr 15, 2005
  114. 3/2 merge-trees script for Linus gitJunio C Hamano, Apr 15, 2005
  115. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  116. Junio C HamanoApr 16, 2005
  117. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  118. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  119. Junio C HamanoApr 16, 2005
  120. Byteorder fix for read-tree, new -m semantics version.Junio C Hamano, Apr 16, 2005
  121. 1/2 Add --stage to show-files for new stage dircache.Junio C Hamano, Apr 16, 2005
  122. 2/2 Add --stage to show-files for new stage dircache.Junio C Hamano, Apr 16, 2005
  123. Issues with higher-order stages in dircacheJunio C Hamano, Apr 16, 2005
  124. Junio C HamanoApr 17, 2005
  125. Linus TorvaldsApr 17, 2005
  126. Junio C HamanoApr 17, 2005
  127. Summary of "read-tree -m O A B" mechanismJunio C Hamano, Apr 17, 2005
  128. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  129. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  130. Junio C HamanoApr 16, 2005

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