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Re: Merge with git-pasky II.

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PJPaul Jackson <pj@engr.sgi.com>
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Apr 15, 2005, 19:20 UTC
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These notions that one can always best answer questions by looking at the content, and that "Individual files DO NOT EXIST" seem over stated, to me.

Granted, overstated for a good reason. A couple sticks of dynamite are needed to shake loose some old SCM thinking habits.

===
Ingo has a point when he states:
> i believe the fundamental thing to think about is not file or line or 
> namespace, but 'tracking developer intent'.

He too overstates - it's not _the_ (as in one and only) thing. But it's useful. Given the traditional terseness of many engineers, it's certainly not the _only_ thing. The code speaks too.

===

The above two are related in this way. Traditional SCM uses per file (versioned controlled file, as in s.* or *,v files) metadata to track 'developer intent'.

I'm afraid we are at risk for confusing baby (developer intent) and bathwater (version controlled file structure of classic SCM's).

===

But we already have a pretty damn good way of tracking developer intent that needs to fit naturally with whatever we build on top of git.

     Mr. McGuire: I just want to say one word to you - just one word.
     Ben: Yes sir.
     Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?
     Ben: Yes I am.
     Mr. McGuire: 'Patches.'
     # the original word was 'Plastics' - The Graduate (1967)

Andrew and the other maintainers do a pretty good job of 'encouraging' developers to provide useful statements of 'intent' in their patch headers.

The patch series in something like *-mm, including per-patch commentary, are a valuable part of this project.

===

I have not looked closely at what is being done here, on top of git, for SCM like capabilities. Hopefully the next two questions are not too stupid:

 1) How do we track the patch header commentary?
 2) Why can't we have a quilt like SCM, not bk/rcs/cvs/sccs/... like?

For (2), anyone publishing a Linux source would periodically announce an <sha1> value, attached to some name suitable for public consumption.

For example, sometime in the next month or so, Linus would announce that the <sha1> of 2.6.12 is so-and-so. That would identify the result of applying a specific set of patches, resulting in a specific source tree contents. He would announce a few 2.6.12-rc* <sha1>'s between now and then.

Between now and then, Andrew would (if using these tools) have published several <sha1> values, one each for various 2.6.12-rc*-mm* versions.

If you explode such a <sha1> all out into a working directory, you get both the source contents in the appropriately named files, and the quilt-style patches subdirectory, of the patch series that gets you here, starting from some Time Zero for that series of published kernel versions.

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Message 29 of 130 in “Merge with git-pasky II.”
  1. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  2. Christopher LiApr 13, 2005
  3. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  4. Christopher LiApr 13, 2005
  5. Linus TorvaldsApr 14, 2005
  6. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  7. Paul JacksonApr 14, 2005
  8. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  9. Paul JacksonApr 14, 2005
  10. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  11. Linus TorvaldsApr 14, 2005
  12. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  13. Linus TorvaldsApr 14, 2005
  14. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  15. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  16. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  17. Linus TorvaldsApr 14, 2005
  18. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  19. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  20. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  21. Barry SilvermanApr 15, 2005
  22. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  23. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  24. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  25. C. Scott AnanianApr 15, 2005
  26. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  27. Johannes SchindelinApr 16, 2005
  28. David WoodhouseApr 17, 2005
  29. Paul JacksonApr 15, 2005
  30. Simon FowlerApr 16, 2005
  31. David LangApr 16, 2005
  32. Simon FowlerApr 16, 2005
  33. Petr BaudisApr 16, 2005
  34. Simon FowlerApr 16, 2005
  35. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  36. David LangApr 16, 2005
  37. Ingo MolnarApr 17, 2005
  38. Brad RobertsApr 17, 2005
  39. Ingo MolnarApr 17, 2005
  40. Ingo MolnarApr 17, 2005
  41. Linus TorvaldsApr 17, 2005
  42. Herbert XuApr 17, 2005
  43. Linus TorvaldsApr 17, 2005
  44. Herbert XuApr 17, 2005
  45. Petr BaudisApr 17, 2005
  46. Kenneth JohanssonApr 17, 2005
  47. Herbert XuApr 18, 2005
  48. Petr BaudisApr 18, 2005
  49. Linus TorvaldsApr 17, 2005
  50. Sanjoy MahajanApr 18, 2005
  51. Ingo MolnarApr 18, 2005
  52. Sanjoy MahajanApr 16, 2005
  53. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  54. ls-tree enhancementsJunio C Hamano, Apr 15, 2005
  55. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  56. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  57. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  58. Ingo MolnarApr 15, 2005
  59. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  60. Ingo MolnarApr 15, 2005
  61. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  62. Johannes SchindelinApr 15, 2005
  63. Theodore Ts'oApr 15, 2005
  64. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  65. David WoodhouseApr 15, 2005
  66. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  67. Paul JacksonApr 15, 2005
  68. C. Scott AnanianApr 15, 2005
  69. Paul JacksonApr 15, 2005
  70. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  71. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  72. Live Merging from remote repositoriesBarry Silverman, Apr 14, 2005
  73. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  74. Question about git process modelBarry Silverman, Apr 15, 2005
  75. Erik van KonijnenburgApr 14, 2005
  76. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  77. Junio C HamanoApr 14, 2005
  78. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  79. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  80. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  81. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  82. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  83. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  84. Christopher LiApr 14, 2005
  85. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  86. Christopher LiApr 15, 2005
  87. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  88. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  89. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  90. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  91. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  92. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  93. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  94. Petr BaudisApr 14, 2005
  95. git mergePetr Baudis, Apr 14, 2005
  96. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  97. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  98. Linus TorvaldsApr 15, 2005
  99. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  100. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  101. Daniel BarkalowApr 16, 2005
  102. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  103. Daniel BarkalowApr 16, 2005
  104. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  105. Daniel BarkalowApr 16, 2005
  106. Paul JacksonApr 16, 2005
  107. Petr BaudisApr 16, 2005
  108. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  109. C. Scott AnanianApr 15, 2005
  110. Petr BaudisApr 15, 2005
  111. Junio C HamanoApr 15, 2005
  112. 1/2 merge-trees script for Linus gitJunio C Hamano, Apr 15, 2005
  113. 2/2 merge-trees script for Linus gitJunio C Hamano, Apr 15, 2005
  114. 3/2 merge-trees script for Linus gitJunio C Hamano, Apr 15, 2005
  115. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  116. Junio C HamanoApr 16, 2005
  117. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  118. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  119. Junio C HamanoApr 16, 2005
  120. Byteorder fix for read-tree, new -m semantics version.Junio C Hamano, Apr 16, 2005
  121. 1/2 Add --stage to show-files for new stage dircache.Junio C Hamano, Apr 16, 2005
  122. 2/2 Add --stage to show-files for new stage dircache.Junio C Hamano, Apr 16, 2005
  123. Issues with higher-order stages in dircacheJunio C Hamano, Apr 16, 2005
  124. Junio C HamanoApr 17, 2005
  125. Linus TorvaldsApr 17, 2005
  126. Junio C HamanoApr 17, 2005
  127. Summary of "read-tree -m O A B" mechanismJunio C Hamano, Apr 17, 2005
  128. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  129. Linus TorvaldsApr 16, 2005
  130. Junio C HamanoApr 16, 2005

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