Re: English/German terminology, git.git's de.po, and pro-git
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Ralf Thielow <ralf.thielow@gmail.com>
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- May 13, 2013, 16:30 UTC
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2013/5/13 Thomas Rast <trast@inf.ethz.ch>:
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> Hi > > I hope I got together a Cc list that pretty much represents everyone > involved in git core and pro-git book translation into German. > > As I am sure you are all aware, there are two main religions as to how > one can translate technical material into German: leave the technical > terms mostly in English, or translate them to an appropriate > corresponding word. I'll denote them G+E and Ger, respectively. I > would really like to avoid rehashing that entire discussion in this > thread, if at all possible; we've flogged that horse enough. See > e.g. [1] for previous threads on the git list about the transation. > > However, an unfortunate and unsatisfactory situation has developed: > Christian Stimming's git-gui de.po uses a Ger translation, and Ralf > Thielow built core git's de.po on top of it, so it's also Ger. > > Meanwhile, and independently, Sven Fuchs and Ralph Haussmann wrote a > translation of pro-git (which is also quite mature at this point, having > apparently begun in 2009), and as you probably guessed by now, it's G+E. > > So that leaves us at a point where "the" libre Git book (and also the > one that happens to be hosted on git-scm.com, the official site) does > not match the terminology used by German git. > > Like, at all. They're not even remotely near each other. > > Therefore, a total newbie would find at least one of those two totally > useless. I haven't done a comprehensive survey yet, but it is my > impression that the commercial git books are also G+E, so the > hypothetical newbie would be stuck learning the English terms in one of > the two regardless. > > So where to go from this mess? > > Obviously -- unless the agreement is that the status quo should persist > -- we'd first have to sort out what the preferable translation should > be. And I'm a bit scared of trying, except that a straw poll on IRC > gave me some hope that a simple majority vote could help settle it. > > My vote is G+E. >
My vote is G+E, too. IMO the users should read the same terms in Git messages as they read in the majority of German Git-books/blogs/etc. (I don't know one of them where Git terms are translated.) I think that would make users life easier and less confusing.
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> After that, we should create a unified glossary. Even in the G+E case,
> a few terms would presumably be translated fully and some others might
> have partial translations (checkout -> auschecken?). The current
> glossary for git's de.po is [2]. I have no idea what Sven and Ralph do.
> Perhaps a github wiki page would be fine for everyone?
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> Finally, converting the existing translation will require some manpower.
> I'll help review things, as I have previously done for translation
> updates of core git de.po; perhaps with a few more volunteers it can be
> done pretty quickly.
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> Thanks for your time.
>
> - Thomas
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> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/58315
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/156226/focus=156373
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/196779/focus=196792
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> [2] https://github.com/ralfth/git-po-de/wiki/Glossary
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> --
> Thomas Rast
> trast@{inf,student}.ethz.ch